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    hi,
    I wanted a quick detox - 5 days, after taking heroin for 2 years (about 2 bags a day, equal to half a gram smoked-never injected). I have been taking a 8mg subutex tablet every morning for the past five days, but have been taking heroin on top (about a bag a day). The first two days I took a sub I felt withdrawal symptoms for about an hour or two. After the 3rd day i have been ok. I have not had the full effect of the heroin i have smoked (as the sub is supposed to block it out). I wanted to know that if i stop taking the subs ( as i have not got any more 8 mg left - only got 4 2mg left)& the heroin will I suffer much withdrawal symptoms?
    As the sub is supposed to block the heroin out if u take it while on a sub does that mean my system is clean of heroin?
    In other words does a subutex block any heroin getting into ur system, as ive heard it has a blocker & i havenet felt the full effect of the heroin while on a sub?
    Any help appreciated as Im thinking of not takikng anything tomorrow.

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    Hey Dan,
    The reason I came on this website was to ask a question that you just answered.
    I am due to start my Subutex on Sunday. I have tried it before but I have never waited long enough so each time I have ended up climbing the walls.
    For the last couple of years my CDT have gone on and on about the blocker effect of Sub and how you musn't use. I really thought that it was an absolute NO-NO.
    I have never been very impressed with my Community Drugs Team, which is why I decided long ago that I would obtain a large amount of Subutex so that when I was ready I could do it without their help or should I say interference?
    Last weekend I gave a good friend of mine enough Sub for a full detox. There was enough for a steady term lasting several weeks but he was hoping to get it over and done with within days.
    Anyway he told me that the first few days he used Heroin and it helped him immensly. I was amazed, I didn't know what to believe. Now, as for all the other so called 'mates' I've met whilst using Heroin who are so full of s**t that I wouldn't listen to anything that comes out of their mouths but this guy isn't like that. He is a really geniune person but I still didn't know if he was just saying that to convince me that, just because I knew he had been to score, it didn't mean he had failed his detox.

    I was just going to put a new posting up here asking if any other people have used H whilst taking Sub but I think I'll wait and see what replies you get.

    By the way Dan, WELL DONE for getting this far. That is truly FANTASTIC. If you are getting short on Sub I'll give you some of mine. I know how pathetic the system is in this country.

    Keep up your good work Dan, Billie.

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    i heard from a friend also on suboxone, that you *can* use heroin while on the suboxone, and the naloxone is mainly to deter addicts who want to shoot the suboxone. she said she gets high ocassionally and it doesnt have any ill side efffects. i dont know why she told me this, i kinda wish she didnt, as it was a good deterant. i wont use the dope either way,. but it felt good to think i coulnt even if i wanted to

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    suboxone is different to subutex, as subutex does not have that naloxone (spelling??). I have taken subutex & wanted to know if i stopped taking the subutex will i still have withdrawal symptons (as i have been taking heroin while on the subutex).
    [u]There must be someone out there who has taken heroin ontop of subutex??</u>

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    billie can u get in touch with me regarding them subs??

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    Why are you taking the Sub if you still want to get high???

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    It's not just the naloxone in the suboxone that blocks the high from H. Subutex and Suboxone are partial agonists/antagonists. The antagonist feature is what gets in the way of a high. But why are you taking either one if you want to get high? MIC

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    im not taking it to get high...its just a habit that i want to stop. Just want to know if taking h ontop of subutex leaves u wuth withdrawal symptoms. Does the H stay in ur system if ur on subutex?????

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    Hi Dan,

    If you are hoping that you are going to stop the Subutex and Heroin without any W/D's then I'm sorry to say I think you are in for a shock.

    I would bet my life that you need to spend some time on Sub without any Heroin and then taper off the Sub slowly.

    But what do I know? I can't even get the F thing started?????!!!!!

    If you go to my member profile, get my e-mail address and let me know how to contact you & I'll reply as soon as.


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    but doesn't the subutex have a blocker in them that supposed to stop heroin getting in2 ur system, if u take it while on a sub?

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    sorry billie...i relapsed....didnt take no subs 2day but took some h which lasted all day(felt fine for abt 12hrs). I really need some more subutex, as I dont want to start smoking as much stuff as I used to. Billie I have sent u a couple of emails over the past gew days but I have got no reply. Can u get in touch with me regarding them subs?

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    Even tho you are using sub with H you will have withdrawls, the H is still in your body, physically. The sub just stops the feeling of getting high, does not stop the drug properties of H which is addicting even tho you don't get high. You need to come off the H for about 24 hours, or until you have withdrawl symptoms then start the sub, it should help within 15-30 minutes.

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