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A friend asked me to post this - Ibogaine

Discussion in 'Heroin ~ Addiction and Recovery' started by Ogmios, Aug 20, 2016.

  1. Ogmios

    Ogmios New Member

    so please do not beat on me!

    I am in the process of trying to save the life of a young girl. Somebody whom I love very much, and is very much struggling in the grips of a deadly addiction. I was made aware of the emergent situation very recently at the end of a program that I have attended in Peru. Unfortunately, this program and trip have soaked up my remaining funds. The dire need for this very young girls treatment is grave. The combination of the particular drug and route she is administering it is horrifying. This young girl is a close close family member.
    The cost for treatment and transportation to treatment is approximately $4000, of which I do not have. This particular treatment (Ibogaine) is not legal or available in the United States, therefore applying for assistance federally or to the state with the cost would be futal . There fore I implore anyone that has the ability in any capacity to help me save this young beautiful life to please help. Any amount however much , I would be immensely grateful for. God Bless us all .
     
  2. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member

    I so hate when I see stuff like this.... if ibogaine was a cure, I am sure I would think differently but sadly it is not. Its simply a mode of treatment for a more comfortable detox. Also has many other wonderful properties such as buying you time without cravings giving you opportunity to grow up a bit.

    I just feel if this addict was really interested/vested and motivated to receive this mode of treatment she would find a way to come up with three grand. Asking for other to pay your way in my opinion just feeds into the thought she has no choices in this. Dont get me wrong... do I think she should be on the path seeking a treatment with Ibogaine, absolutely. But also feel the more she works for it the more it will mean to her and better chance she do the work that has to follow to remain clean. I also went for this.... and will give it MUCH credit for me being clean today. But I also put a lot of energy, work, commitment on being able to receive it. Like... she should be lowering her dose.. that right there will free up some cash to pay for the treatment. The lower the dose she is on to maintain, the safer, smoother, easier her treatment will go much less her recovery. I would rather see addicts asking for cash to be able to get aftercare. That... I would consider donating too. When I decided to go this path it took me about 5 months to get the funds to pay for it. It cost total around 8 grand when all said and done. Best believe it wasn't easy getting the cash together but for sure came to mind when the hard part came...... staying clean. I knew I could get that much cash together again.

    I see this so often. Ive seen so many receive donation and let that cash feed their habits. I seen those who was able to get other to fund their treatment and get high the minute they return home. I personally have not seen many stay clean when another pays for their treatment. I do hope this girl finds her way to a safe treatment... just think it will mean more if she was the one putting out the effort to get it.

    I am glad to know she has people out there willing to help her though. So many addicts have burn through all their bridges and no one gives a chit anymore.
     
  3. peter62

    peter62 Member

    My habit was 12 30mg oxycodone and a 100 mg Fentanyl patch and a 50mg patce. I am 54 years old doing this for 10 years.

    I just returned from Cancan. MX where it was treated with ibogaine. The treatment took place in Clear Sky Recovery. I checked in on a Wednesday, on Thursday I had a very detailed physical, heart sonogram, EKG, complete bloodwork. I passed the physical. So on Friday morning I received my ibogaine treatment. The treatment lasts 24 hours. It is not a scary treatment. I actually enjoyed. When you finish you move to your private room where you sleep for a few hours. Ibogaine did not wipe out all my withdrawals but I would say it was 90 percent effective of eliminating them. I stayed for a week wednesday-wednesday. I would HIGHLY recommend this treatment. The doctor Sola is a pioneer in the field. The staff treated me like a king. The cost was $7,500. If you are considering it, watch everything you can on youtube that has Dr deborah mesh. She did the first fda approval in the United States. She was having great results but then the funding dried up. The USA should be all over this treatment and get it approved. The only withdrawals I have is lack of energy and bearable leg pain. Without this treatment I would be bouncing off the walls or trying to jump out the window. One time, I tried to stop and ended up with an injury by banging my head against the wall. Hope this helps
     
  4. spring

    spring Administrator

    Yes I heard about the excellent results of the US trials but for some reason was kept quiet until it quietly disappeared. It SHOULD have been approved but once again it's all about the money....What on earth would happen to all the rehabs, counselors, and revenue from opiate prescriptions, (not to mention the money illegally pocketed by govt from heroin imports) if everybody got successfully clean?! I'm sincerely hoping that Trump might be the one to see this for what it is and finally do something about this epidemic.
    YES Ibogaine should be a legal treatment for detox in the US. Of course it's not a cure but it gives the addict an excellent start at a chance to live a clean life.
     
  5. AumuA

    AumuA Well-Known Member

    Oh yeah Trump's gonna be wonderful I'm sure. Real open minded and compassionate. o_O

    Anyway looks like you are pretty much just talking to scammers and shills here, Spring and Bonita. How you doing?
     
  6. peter62

    peter62 Member

    I think you should spend a few minutes doing some research on Ibogaine. This is a total miracle drug and one can only hope DT does something good for our country. BO did zero.
     
  7. spring

    spring Administrator

    Yes I agree about BO. So glad he's almost gone. I heard Trump talk about the heroin epidemic and wanting to not only stop the imports but do more to help the addicts. I have a good feeling about the man, but we will see.

    AumuA, Why all the distrust? Just curious. Seems every time someone comes along with a new method for detox or recovery you seem to think it's a scam or a shill.(the sober coach, the bridge, ibogaine)
    LOL Have some faith dude. There are some good people left in this world...honest!:)
     
  8. peter62

    peter62 Member

    I am actually considering contact Dr Phil or Dr Oz to discuss my experience, don't know if they would even listen. I really want to help and I think this could really help a lot of people. Funny thing I forgot to mention, the doctor said the ibogaine reduces craving anywhere from 3 months to 1 year sometimes longer depending on person. The have a therapist that met with me everyday for about 1.5 hrs. He said, and was adamant that I do not attend any group sessions. He said just being around people that have access or talk about opiates is a very bad idea. Very different than traditional methods. Just thought worth mentioning.
     
  9. peter62

    peter62 Member

    Today, I had a doctor's appointment and told him about Ibogaine. He never heard of it. It is mind boggling that a doctor , probably 50 yrs old would never heard about this. I've been to 4 doctors since my return and the only one who heard, is my pain doctor. He said and least half of his patients want to get off opiates but cannot. He wishes it was done here. Not sure if he really meant it because he would lose half his customers. This doctor really pushes opiates, but he is dealing with the worst of the chronic pain people. He worked a Beth Israel for many years but could not survive there with Obamacare, it totally screwed him. So, he opened his own practice and it was really hard at first but is doing OK now. Not sure where you live, but we are in a very bad epidemic here on Staten Island, NY. We are just as bad as Bronx, NY which is normally the worst in the city. Police have a harder time catching dealers because of cell phones. Dealer no longer stay in one spot and will deliver your drugs. Our mayor just allocated about 8 million dollars to this problem (first good thing he has done). Where do you live, is the situation bad there. Like I said before, I have always used legal prescribed drugs and I am glad I have no idea where to get any illegal drugs. The Ibogaine is amazing and the only thing I would complain about is not enough sleep 4-5 hours. Everyone says it will get back to normal. They did warn me sleep would be and issue. Like I said, this is so minor and it gives me a lot of time during the 20 hours I am awake. They say your brain reverts back to when you were a baby and that is why sleep is an issue. It's fine with me. I hope this helps anyone and everyone. Any suggestions how I could reach more people?
     
  10. peacenik

    peacenik Administrator

    Well, I'm with Aumua on this. I have a skepticism about any claims as to a "miracle drug" especially when they are brought up by first time posters. (sorry)

    You know, we've had discussions over the years about these things, this is not something new. I think people try all sorts of things when they want to get clean. They try lots of times usually.
    Eventually, if they are lucky, they make it. And people will tend to credit the particular modality they used that last time as being the big reason they got clean. It was a miracle drug, a breakthrough device etc. The truth, I think, is much more complex but can be stated simply - he was ready.

    Also I would hope we could avoid getting into political discussion. I do think it's pretty clear who have been the biggest supporters of big pharma over the years but when it comes down to getting clean, I don't think any politician is going to help you.
    Dave

    PS Bonita, I do appreciate your more realistic description of the benefits you see with Ibogaine. :)
     
  11. peter62

    peter62 Member

    I am not new to this board. I was on it 10 + years ago. About 15 years ago, I suffered a different injury and was on opiates for 3-4 years. I did get clean using UROD of all things. It was the worst experience, in bed for two months post treatment but it did actually work. I was on Naltrexone for a few months. Then, I had a very serious injury about 10 years ago and back to very high doses of opiates. I believe the old posts are gone but I may be able to find my original post about UROD, I will check. I suggest you spend a few minutes, along with Aumua and do a little research. This was approved in USA by FDA but funding was not renewed. There is no one more credible than Dr Deborah Mesh. Just look her up on youtube. There are many tv stories, channel 4, channel 2 and many more. She was THE MOST SHEPTICAL OF ALL. You are administrator and can verify pete62 from 10-15 years ago. I am 99% sure I have found same forum. I would love if you could verify it to help people see I am not new. Also, I only what to help people and for me this worked better than I can even explain. It worked for everyone there. Please point me to someone on the boards that it didn't work for, I would love to discuss with them. I am 3.5 weeks post treatment. I only know what I know up to this point. I was 99% withdrawal free, period. They gave me liquid morphine at midnight, started treatment about 9am and I never had withdrawal. I would not have spent the money or time if I did not have a high degree of certainty. There is a lot of ignorance when it comes to this treatment. You are an administrator and I think a few minutes could really enlighten you and could help many people. Do I accept there may be a fraction of a percent it does not work for, maybe. One more thing, I only claim it was a miracle drug to get you to stop with no withdrawals. I do not think anyone who returns to their previous lifestyle will ultimately be successful. YOU HAVE TO WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL MORE THAN ANYTHING. I did this for my son and I hope nothing happens to compromise my current situation. Please do me the favor of looking up my old account. I would be very interested in seeing it. I was very good friends with a girl named Arlene who ultimately got banned. Thank you very much.
     
  12. peacenik

    peacenik Administrator

    Well best of luck to you Peter. I don't have access to accounts from prior to the boards latest software. But Arlene was a very good friend of mine as well - haven't spoken with her in a while though....
    Anyway, I wish you all the best, but you might understand that the board has had problems, still being worked on and very few new posts. So when I see the only new posts are from people promoting treatments that cost several thousand dollars it seems fishy so to speak :)

    Please, believe in whatever works for you and feel free tell us about your journey. Just avoid posting links to for-profit sites as it comes across as advertizing, thanks
     
  13. peter62

    peter62 Member

    Thank you and I will. If I find my post on UROD I will share it. I am only here to help. Please check it out.
     
  14. peter62

    peter62 Member

    I cannot locate the UROD posting. Like I said, it was here 10+ years ago and we had many conversations. Arlene was really against it until it worked for me. I will give you a brief recap. I live in NYC and heard a radio ad. I decided to do it. I went to a clinic in Bronx. I remember when I entered I smelled bug spray and almost walked out with my wife. But, I did not. After a short wait, I went in and saw a doctor who administered the drug. I do not remember anything until I got home (1.5 hr ride). My wife told me they brought me to the car in wheelchair and put me in back seat. She said I was acting crazy trying to grab steering wheel of car and crash it. When I got home, I thought someone was trying to kill me. I shi#t my pants and threw-up. The Dr put me on Naltrexone, Clonidine, Xanax and a sleep helper. I did not eat for at least a week. Then it was one piece of toast for next few days. I could not walk without help. I could not reach Dr he was ignoring me. I slowly recovered and two months later I was able to function. The sickness was not like withdrawals, I did not want opiates. I was too sick to want anything and would just stay in bed and try to sleep. Personally, when I have had withdrawals, I would want to jump out a window or bang my head against the wall or go to hospital. This was not the case with UROD. I would not recommend this unless you can be in hospital with supervision for a few weeks. Ultimately, I do think it was easier than cold turkey because you don't want the opiates. However, my second time, I did not even consider it. I think I would have died. I am 54 and just don't think my body could do it. My original post had many more details and I posted everyday after the first few weeks. It's a shame I cannot find it and you cannot recover it. Arlene was a great support for me. When I checked back, after many months, she was gone. I could not believe it. She had strong opinions but helped everyone. Too bad.
     
  15. peter62

    peter62 Member

    One more thing. I've met much resistance so far with Ibogaine. I just wanted to post the first news story I watched. I did much research after watching this. I original heard about Ibogaine on the tv show Homeland then Law and Order SVU. Here is the first link I watched there are no ads it is purely news.
     
  16. AumuA

    AumuA Well-Known Member

    I have no issue with discussion of ibogaine. I think telling someone they should avoid any and all recovery groups in case they get influenced by 'drug talk' is kind of strange and bad advice, but regardless, I support discussion of ibogaine. I'm just grateful I never have to go through withdrawals again. What gets me going is when someone comes here and immediately mentions a particular clinic and/or doctor, usually along with a very glowing review. In most cases, maybe not all, but most cases, that person is not posting for altruistic reasons. They are getting something, some kind of kickback or benefit, by promoting that clinic, device, treatment center, or whatever. I looked into it, and the 'Bridge' guy is literally a professional marketer who is paid to promote that device, for instance. That's what a shill is, and that is what I am against, just to clarify. If I'm mistaken in this case, then I apologize to you, Peter.

    Consider that every addict who is facing severe withdrawals is desperately hoping for some way, any way that they can avoid going through that. That's what keeps them using in the first place, right? So that's a hell of a market, right there.
     
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2017
  17. peter62

    peter62 Member

    First, I agree advertising is not right here. But giving information is good and that was what I was doing. I have been on this board for well over 10 years. I posted hundreds of times. Once I got clean the first time, I came back to forum once in a while. When Arlene got banned, I never returned as she was my best friend on the board. That being said, the only reason I mentioned the clinic is because I did so much research and I truly believe they were the most responsible and safest and I was very impressed. I know what is going on at back door clinics and do not anyone to die because they did not there was this option. I also stated, there are other reputable places that could probably do the same, but do the research The doctor is so well respected he got a commendation from the president because he was his doctor in Cancun. He opened the first full service trauma center in our country in DC. Regardless, my intention is to help people and it has always been that. As I said, if you have tried to stop and cannot due to bad withdrawals, Ibogaine will get you through that step in recovery. For me, that was the hardest part. I have to say, I am dealing with pain now which is what got me to where I was with the opiates. According to the doctors, It does take a few weeks to a few months before my natural pain receptors get back into normal mode. Let me make it clear, this pain is not withdrawals, it is due to my 13 surgeries. 13 sounds bad, but I am not crippled and can do anything someone without injuries can do, but my pain ranges from 1 -10 at different times. I am taking Advil only for pain and it's not helping much. I am taking salt baths which helps a little mostly allowing some sleep. I am meditating, little help with pain. I do have a lot of injuries, but as you may have read, this is my second time getting clean. First time I did UROD, I gave a brief summery. When I finally recovered from UROD, I managed to deal with pain for a few years and was very active, I did many triathlons during that period. Then another injury and I was back to opiates. Now, I am 4+ weeks post Ibogaine and hoping this bad pain gets to a level where I can deal with it. Right now, I am hurting.
     
  18. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member

    Ibogaine is a Miracle in my eyes.... It did pave the the way to freedom from dope for me. I can get through a detox... did it way too many times. I don't ever remember relapsing till the wd was over and back on my feet again. For me the miracle was that it did buy me time to get well grounded in my sober life not having to waste energy with cravings/illness and work great as a antidepressant for me. This is not true for all though. I wish it was a cure but sadly it is not. Just a huge leap forward.

    Is ibogaine a cure, NO. Am I still an addict in recovery 8 yrs later, YES. Did Ibogaine fix everything for me, NO. I had to work hard learning how to live dope free. I didn't have a clue how to deal with the everyday crap that we all, addict or non addict has to deal with. When using if things got hard I just used more till I felt better about it. Once I got clean, I had to live through it and didn't have tool one to do it. I do hope one day Ibogaine will be legal in the US. I will do all I can to make that so. I do all I can to make it known to every addict I meet thats struggling staying clean. Is it for everyone, NO. Are there risk that come with this wonderful plant, YES. For me, worth it. If it was legal we wouldn't be seeing the deaths directly related to this plant. There would be educated medical personal providing the treatment. As it is now, only ex junkies are involved in providing a tx.. no all but I bet at least 90%. The sad thing is that many that are offering this tx have not taken the time to grow up, get grounded in their own sober life first. This puts all involved at risk. So It need to be taken out of the junkies control and into the medical field.

    I seen some things that scare me involving those that offer this tx. Ive seen way too many that haven't a clue on how it works yet claim to be "experts". I use to not think that I would see it legal in my life time... I am happily see different now. Many are fighting to make this plant available here in the US. I just wrote a senator thats looking for testimonies to present, hopefully he will take me up on my offer.

    You know.... anyone can get clean. Its staying clean that is the real challenge. It takes commitment, determination, willingness to listen to another, go against ones grain, be uncomfortable in one skin, go without sleep and not use over it. Sadly, ibogaine dosnt do all this for you. It gave me the easiest detox one could hope for and most of all, bought me the time I needed to basically grow up before I felt like I was on my own. This is the miracle in my eyes.

    Love to all,
     
  19. peter62

    peter62 Member

    Great post. I have not been here in a while but saw your post and wanted to give an update. I did the Ibogaine about 9 weeks ago. After about 5 weeks I did start feeling more pain in the areas of my numerous surgeries. I have handled this with Advil and can deal with it. It seems people have a problem with the word "miracle" but I do not. This drug saves lives period, to me that is a miracle. I live in Staten Island, NY one of the 5 areas considered NYC. Bronx, Queens, Manhattan and Brooklyn are the other. S.I has the highest OD rate of all 5. We probably rank 2 or 3 as far as average income per family. Oddly, many many wealth kids are getting hooked on oxy and are switching to Heroin. Most times, they start by stealing their parents pills. We had the highest police save rate (naltrexone shots) in the city last year at sixty something. We had about 95 OD reported though the number is thought to be much higher since many go unreported. Our population is about 600k. Our mayor just allocated 8 million more dollars to S.I. to combat this issue. If Ibogaine was legal, all the money spent plus the additional 8 million, could save hundreds of lives just here in NYC. Look we are the people who best know about this issue. We are the people that can and should reach out to doctors and politicians. Anyone who thinks Ibogaine is not a huge advantage to stopping opiates, alcohol an meth is just ignorant. I challenge anyone to spend an hour doing research on youtube and google and then claim it is not a miracle. You don't know what you don't know. If your biggest problem to stopping is withdrawals, ibogaine is the answer. The center I went to gave a small booster dose on the following 3 days of initial treatment. The initial treatment I was given 10 ibogaine pills, booster dose was 2 pills. The booster dose hardly has any effects maybe just a little tiredness and you rest for a few hours. The treatment center I went to was great and they had care around the clock with both nurse, doctor all 7 days. They treated me like a guest at a first rate hotel. Massage everyday, therapy 1.5 hours a day. They had a pool, it was on the ocean, a day planner to take you out on the ocean. I did not use ocean but some did. I was by far on the highest dose out of all the people with me at the time and I spent the entire 24 hours in the the ibogaine treatment room on my treatment day, most would go back to their rooms after 13-15 hours. We all felt like a life changing event had taken place in a very good way. I thank god for this drug and everyone who WANTS to stop should get into a credible clinic. I wish all the luck.
     
  20. peter62

    peter62 Member

    I just want to give everyone an update. I am 12 weeks off opiates. I am very happy with my life and thank God I am clean and have zero desire to use opiates. My wife says she cannot believe how active and happy I am. I am seeing friends again, my family again and getting much more involved in my son's activities. My sex life is back to normal after many years of zero desire. I still have pain but it is not controlling my life. I take advil sometimes and now it is actually working. I've noticed an increased sensitivities to smells and my allergies are worse. Not sure if it is due to ibogaine or just me being more aware of things, probably the latter. I feel calm and in control of my life something I do not ever remember feeling. I read and interesting study done in the 80's and I am shocked how similar some of the experiences were to mine. I've done a lot of research on the subject and my current conclusion is: Ibogaine has a very strong brain influence and it somehow let's you see how valuable your life is. The similarity in experiences is so mind boggling. While I was receiving treatment, my discussions with fellow patients amazed me but caulked it up to us being in the same place, same music playing during treatment or therapist preparing us for treatment. After reading the study from 80's it cannot be the environment and must be due to Ibogaine. If you are skeptical, as I was, do the research. Since my treatment, I often wish I had the means to help everyone that wants treatment get treatment. For the people who do have the means, do not waste another second, get help. Your life is too valuable to waste. It is never too late. The way they administered it back then is different then the current way. My treatment did not have a test dose. I was given a big dose (12 capsules) on first day followed by 2 small doses. I only had one dream on first dose. The study is a long article but worth the time. It is not doctor talk it is patient talk. Love to everyone. I'll check back soon. Here is a link for the 80's study.
    http://www.iceers.org/docs/science/iboga/Ibogaine Proceedings/ch16_Case_Studies_Lotsof.pdf
     

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