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Iboga vs Ayahuasca

Discussion in 'UROD~Naltrexone~Ibogaine' started by Mike_travels76, Feb 11, 2013.

  1. Mike_travels76

    Mike_travels76 New Member

    I'm new here but i've been on Methadone, Suboxone, and now Subutex to treat my past Heroine addition. Since I got off Heroine, I've been able to travel the world like i've always wanted to. I started traveling through Mexico then moved to Guatemala, got Certified as an Advanced Open Water Diver on Utila, Honduras Then travelled local Cicken buses all the way to San Jose, Costa Rica via Northern Hondurans to Nicaragua and finally Costa Rica and flew home to th US. I'm living a great life. All this has taken place in the past 3-4 years.

    Since I travel so much I've looked at Iboga treatment but it's expensive. I've been looking at an alternative called Ayuhausca. I was planning me next trip to to Iquitos, Peru. If you google "ayahuasca opiate addiction" you'll find many articles and it also pretty cheap.

    Anybody have an experience with this drug or any thoughts?

    I'm still traveling in May but decided against peru that time year since it's in the Southern hemisphere and aproaching winter. I'm going to China, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam.

    Thanks for your help in advance.
     
  2. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member

    Ayuahausa will not assist with wd symptoms. I would be surprised they would even allow ayauhausa with those drugs on board. 2nd...going from sub to ibogaine your wasting your money. Dosnt work. I know quite a few good providers who are now asking three mo away from sub.
     
  3. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member

    But once clean..,by all means I feel ayauhausa is a wonderful experience. Just with sub on board I doubt you will get much as far as a spiritual experience.
     
  4. freakedout

    freakedout Moderator

    I did a quick search and don't see anything that mentions Ayuhuasca as being helpful for opiate withdrawals. That being said, I don't see it as a drug of abuse either. Most report that it isn't "fun" or something that would be used in a habitual/abusing manner. It has a long history of being important culturally and spiritually in South America. If anybody has had experiences with it helping opiate withdrawals, it might be interesting to hear about.
     
  5. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member

    Freak,

    Ayuhausa does not have the ability to help with the wd syndrome. The main active alkaloid is dmt, along with a moai inhibitor. So the experience I feel is very spiritual, but sorry to say will do nothing for wd syndrome of opiates. Not a medicine that I would consider a recreational experience. I do know of those who might abuse dmt but not for long or often.
     
  6. spring

    spring Administrator

    I found this page where it explains the use for addiction " Ayahuasca " ,
    but I'm a bit confused because the thread in this link "" Ayahuasca and Methadone interactions"" talks about opiates being contraindicated, especially when mixing ayahuasca with demerol, tramadol, or methadone. So from what I've read, as far as opiates go, it's only safe for heroin addiction s (and alcohol and cocaine addictions).

    It sounds to me like it will help with the underlying reasons behind your addiction but as far as withdrawal help? No.
    Here's a quote from that page that pretty much sums it up.
    The goal is to help a person live a better life without burdens, obstacles and harm that had previously driven them to abuse drugs or alcohol. Additionally, ayahuasca is able to help a person realize their importance in the world. It may also help them build better relationships with friends, family and others around them.

    Ayahuasca is an alternative treatment that offers significant results and may benefit some people. However, extreme adverse reactions are also experienced including violent purging, severe headaches and changes in blood pressure, heart rate and body temperature. These reactions may cause serious harm to some people. The drug should not be used without supervision of an experienced professional. Care should also be taken when combining this drug with other substances, especially anti-depressant drugs.
     
  7. AumuA

    AumuA Well-Known Member

    I've done lots of dmt, and I concur it is a WONDERFUL experience. I smoke that sh*t out of a meth pipe, and it gets me so F*UCKED up. I love being completely out of my mind like that!

    I'm saying this just to clarify what we're talking about here. Dmt is a very abusable drug; I've abused it plenty. I know that Ayahuasca is a much longer, and probably different trip, being orally active. I'm sure it has its place as a shamanic tool, for people who have any business taking it (not addicts, imo). But I do not mistake it as a way to a "better life without burdens, obstacles and harm.."

    Seriously? I call it another short term solution..
     
  8. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member

    Well... that's sad for you. I have seen those that abuse Ibogaine also... I see it very sad and I just choose to stay away from them. I don't need that crap/sadness in my life. I don't agree with much else of what you said though. Not saying that an ayahuasca/DMt/ibogaine experience will create a life without burdens, obstacles or harm. That's addict thinking and behavior. I have seen and I have experience great change in my life with these tools.

    Your not the first I heard of abusing these things... I just feel its sad for you.
     
  9. AumuA

    AumuA Well-Known Member

    Oh it's not that bad.. :rolleyes:

    I just have to accept that I've burned those bridges, just like I burned and caved in those neural pathways. Now I have to seek other ways to see, that don't involve drugs. That doesn't make me any less of a seer, or a tripper. :wink:

    I'm sure you work with plenty of people like me.
     
  10. Allgood

    Allgood Well-Known Member

    Dt Jacques Mabit runs a treatment facility called Takiwasi in Peru. He has had much success in treating opiate addicts using plant medicine. Attached is an interesting article he put out regarding his findings: http://www.takiwasi.com/docs/arti_ing/ayahuasca_in_treatment_addictions.pdf

    My take: We can get to these realms of exploration of self/ego through other natural practices such as yoga, sweat lodge, fasting, meditation, etc. If one does decide to encounter Her, be sure you are on solid footing spiritually and that your intent is 100% pure.

    Tom
     

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