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Kratom

Discussion in 'Detoxing From Pain Meds' started by Paul, Sep 29, 2015.

  1. Paul

    Paul Member

    Do you all know about Kratom. It's natural and help almost any opiate dependant detox with almost zero withdrawal problems. I know, I've been there.....a lot.
     
  2. alumni

    alumni Member

    i believe that's a big overstatement about kratom. It's effects mimic those of opioids, it is addictive on its own and since it is basically a street drug with no quality control, its potency can vary quite a bit.
    There are many ways to safely discontinue substance abuse. Using an unregulated street drug to do it is questionable.
    For some reason, you appear to be a little overboard selling kratom's benefits especially since you claim you're not selling it.
     
  3. Paul

    Paul Member


    Umm, I thought you bought street drugs off the street? You can easily buy Kratom legally on internet. There is zero high to it.

    I'm simply trying to save people a lot of money and headaches.

    Anyone addicted to opiates that wants to get off of them should spend 50-100.00 on Kratom and try it for themselves. Take 10 caps every 5 hours and you'll see. If you're not willing to spend 50.00 then you don't have a bad addiction or you simply don't want to get off it. I've been there, I know. I'm not going off what I've read or what I've heard.
     
  4. Fox face

    Fox face Moderator


    Paul this is a detox website. Are you planning to detox? Kratom is very addictive and there have been several deaths, so I'm concerned that you are advising addicts to take x amount of something when you know nothing about them. I guess depending on the amount you take, you either get high or comatose.

    The best thing anyone can do is fight for their life, and without drugs. It can be done, ya know? There's some of us who have chronic pain and have learned to deal with it, without drugs. While it may be hard, it can be done.
     
  5. Paul

    Paul Member

    Not a drug, won't get you high. You could overdose easier on vitamins than you could kratom.

    Is there something that people don't like about kratom that is a fact?

    If this place is about detox, what is safer, easier, cheaper and better than Kratom?

    Don't tell me cold turkey. Many, many people constantly relapse, overdose, go to jail, go through Hell and more trying to cold turkey. Why even attempt that when there is a harmless legal herb that will get you off opiates without the pain? I don't get your logic.
     
  6. Catamount

    Catamount Well-Known Member

    Seems someone comes around here every now and the touting this Kratom you speak of. Do not seem to remember any of the "regulars" around here saying much to support it, but then again, maybe I am thinking of something else.
     
  7. Paul

    Paul Member

    My guess is they are like me and used Kratom to get off opiates and just wanted to let others know about it.

    I was just thinking about it today and thought I'd check to see if the word was getting around to places like this.

    I will probably be gone tomorrow. Once you get off opiates, you don't think about them ALL of the time. So there really isn't a reason for people that have quot to be here.

    Yeah, I assume those people were just like me. Simply trying to help our fellow opiate addicts/dependants.

    They and I get nothing from telling other people about this wonderful thing called Kratom. Except the good feeling you get from helping others with nothing in return expected.

    People that haven't beat their addiction will keep coming here. Those tha u beat it, wont. It's just like the alcoholic at the corner bar. He or she will go there every day UNTIL they quit drinking. If they quit drinking, you'll never see them again. Sure, there are exceptions, but those are rare, not the norm.
     
  8. freakedout

    freakedout Moderator

    Paul,

    Please let us know how you feel when you stop using Kratom. Many of our members have as hard of a time getting off it as opiates after long term use. (Use the search function if you are open minded. Google is also helpful.) Please be respectful that this is a detox site and moving the addiction from one substance to another (legal or not) is part of the problem -- definitely not a solution.

    What is safer, easier, and cheaper than Kratom is ending the cycle and actually quitting the drugs. Kratom is legal but it has finding affinity with our opiate receptors and has a tolerance and withdrawal syndrome of its own. It is definitely a drug in every sense.

    Basically your are arguing for another form of "maintenance." The same logic used to justify Methadone and Suboxone in the first place ;)
     
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  9. spring

    spring Administrator

    It's only a band-aid. Sure it might help with withdrawal symptoms but at what cost? Eventually you have to come off the kratom and then you're back where you started.
    The trick is to get all opiate and opiate-like substances out of your system and THEN comes the hard part of learning how to stay that way.

    There are many ways to detox but I will always advise to do it without the use of any other opiate, because you aren't clean until you're clean.
     
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  10. leafy blue

    leafy blue Well-Known Member

    Paul -

    I want to tell you, and hopefully anyone else reading this thread, that in my experience, kratom can (meaning that it may in SOME cases) be helpful for a person to use for acute opiate withdrawal. However, kratom can (meaning that it may in SOME cases) be a very dangerous drug to use for acute opiate withdrawal. As with any drug, it should only be taken after careful research and consideration as to how it fits into your specific plan - I.e., do you plan to use it only for the acute phase, or for the acute phase and then taper, or as a maintenance program?

    What I would advise anyone against is believing that "kratom will give you zero withdrawal symptoms." Or that it is "easy" if you take kratom and withdraw from opiates. Today, I am four days into a detox that involves kratom, and let me assure you - this is far from easy. The kratom has helped me at key times throughout this period. If I take it when I am absolutely exhausted, it will give me just enough relief to go to sleep for a few hours. Could I eat a cup of kratom and feel "95%" of my withdrawals disappear? Hmmm...maybe - but I would also feel very drugged, not be able to see well, feel like my arms and legs are made of cement, along with an overall sense of foreboding (that is what happens to me if I take "enough" kratom to feel little to no withdrawals).

    And, yes, I realize that you may have had a different experience with kratom than I did. Maybe it was a wonder drug to you. I would LOVE to hear about your experience with using kratom with acute opiate withdrawal. Especially because I am in that position right now.

    For now, can you do me a favor and settle down a bit? I think everyone heard you the first time about the kratom helping you. Please try not to insist that kratom is safe and has no ill impacts (including side effects and withdrawals?!?) Anyone who spends ten minutes researching kratom will see MANY claims to the contrary.

    Btw, I've been meaning to ask why some of your posts say "spend $100-200" and others, such as this one say "spend $50-100"? Why downgrade the price if you aren't selling it or somehow have a vested interest in people taking your advice? I'm not trying to be confrontational - just curious.

    - leafy
     
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  11. leafy blue

    leafy blue Well-Known Member

    Oops -

    I forgot the most Important part about my entire post above (just not in a great thinking place right now). I apologize. The most important thing to remember is that there is NO painless way out of this. I think we all know that if we really be honest with ourselves. There is only one way out and it will hurt to one degree or another for all of us - it is only a matter of when, not IF. Kratom certainly wasn't a cure for me - but the little bit of sleep it allowed me was a lifesaver. Along with all the other things I did that were recommended on this board - hot baths, forcing myself to walk twice a day, multivitamins, Kava-kava, healthy diet, passionflower...but mostly time and some fairly uncomfortable days (maybe weeks, I'll let you know when I get there).

    Someone posted awhile back that you shouldn't have expectations in the beginning. She had a beautiful post about it, I may try to find it if I can't sleep tonight. She basically said (I'm paraphrasing) that having expectations is setting yourself up for failure - our bodies have been abused for a long time and we need to accept that our body will heal in its own time.

    Sorry if that was at all preachy. Not my intent.

    - leafy
     
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  12. Catamount

    Catamount Well-Known Member

    Hmmm...don't keep coming around since you beat addiction. Well as a AA member I sure am glad that those who beat their addiction for many many years keep on going to the meeting and helping newbies and supporting everyone day after day. If you want to keep giving back that what was given to you seems one would stick around. But that's my 2 cents.

    Cat
     
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  13. dvo

    dvo Member

    Spring - DVO here. Have not been on the site for a long time, but had a question I assumed you could answer for me. I saw a CNN report the other day regarding Kratom. It was being touted as the answer to all addiction in the report on the CNN TV specialOct 2017. So, what is the bottom line on Kratom. Does it work, or is it like buprenorphine???? I did read some information on the site here after I searched Kratom. The discussion on Kratom seemed to be personal and the folks were arguing, thus I did not get much useful information etc.
    So Spring, if you can give me a informed answer about Kratom, I would sincerely appreciate it. Regards, and hope all is well with you. Dan
     
  14. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member

    Kratom...very addictive. Just part of that merry-go-round addicts tend to fall for. Looking for that easy way out when getting off the dope is a very small part of real recovery. But recovery cant begin till off the dope.

    Wish all well
     
  15. AumuA

    AumuA Well-Known Member

    Too bad danielle's posts about the stuff seem to be gone. There's a big push from somewhere, I don't know exactly where, to make Kratom legitimate. But I see Kratom adherents in many online venues these days. They always have the same weird over zealousness about it, like there's no downside. It's all awesome, harmless, it's not an opiate, it's not an opioid, it's not even a drug, according to this guy up here heheheh. I found out my mom was taking it recently, of all people. Because my brother, who is living with her had convinced her that it's this miracle drug. She said she stopped because it started making her sick. I get the impression that it's mostly just addicts who want to keep their supply untroubled, but then it's getting into the mainstream news too, as dvo pointed out. So I don't know. Why the big push for Kratom? Seems related to the ongoing big push for suboxone somehow.
     
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  16. AumuA

    AumuA Well-Known Member

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