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life...not interrupted

Discussion in 'Freedom from Hell ~ Staying Clean~' started by Sluggo, Oct 15, 2008.

  1. guinevere64

    guinevere64 Well-Known Member

    With respect and affection, Ariel, but I haven't advised anything, my love. I don't think it's helpful for me to tell anyone what they should do in recovery. Not helpful for them, not helpful for me. I refuse to do it because I don't know what's best for anyone else.

    What helps me in recovery is for folks to share their experience, strength and hope.

    What I believe is that, with the help of her HP as she understands her HP, and her sponsor, way will open for Janice. As it does for all of us... in God's time...

    Also, Janice herself has advocated for me not to live in fear. I've very much appreciated this message from her (and others)...

    with love and the peace of the program, --G
  2. Sluggo

    Sluggo Well-Known Member

    Ariel -
    that's one of the many reasons I adore you. (and....I've got 10 months or so).

    listen, God's in charge. I'm okay. There's a whole bunch of stuff that has led me to exactly where I am...right here and right now...going through what I am.

    I've been leveled physically/emotionally and spiritually in the past few days. all to the good. don't know where this is leading me....but it is. no expectations. its temporary.

    as for pain meds being a solution....who knows. right not, they're not necessary. I have no attachment to that.

  3. OnMyWay

    OnMyWay Well-Known Member

    That is true. And I think think I am misunderstanding something else: in my mind I am equating "going to ER" to "taking opiates" when they are clearly not the same thing. I would assume the distinction is clearer to Janice.
  4. OnMyWay

    OnMyWay Well-Known Member

  5. guinevere64

    guinevere64 Well-Known Member

    I love our typos. You're such a strong woman, Janice. --G
  6. Allgood

    Allgood Well-Known Member

    What a powerful thread. This is what life in recovery is all about. God throws us curveballs ...... how do we respond? Do we listen for his guidance?

    You're in my thoughts and prayers Jan ....... be well.

  7. Sluggo

    Sluggo Well-Known Member

    if the pain level should necessitate meds...well, i'll seek counsel and do what's right at that moment. now...no need to go there.

    that's why i wanted to wait this morning...the pain has subsided before, then come back with a vengeance. if it persisted at that horrific level...well, things might be different right now. but, i don't live in "ifs" today. right now, the pain is tolerable. my son is content, and i'm not crying.

    God has put amazing people in my path. When i was laying in bed this morning, who should call but Robert...my hippy-dippy recovery guru who is completely disciplined by holistic mind/body stuff. he talked to me about the physical pain...then, asked about the week preceding....what's been going on spiritually/emotionally?

    again...leads me back to the mind/body/spirit trifecta. nothing, absolutely nothing happens in God's world by mistake. God has a way of shaking me...enabling me to wake up more....and its done in ways that aren't always comfortable. accept what is.

    i had this ridiculous notion that because I have a disciplined prayer/meditative life...because I've done the work....because whatever....that I shouldn't be feeling this way....that somehow, I'm above all those responses now. My sponsor laughed. calls it spiritual arrogance.

    God's in charge. accept what is. (mantra for today).

    have to honor my commitment tonight. unless absolutely physically unable to do so, I will be there. and who knows where that's gonna go. should be interesting.
  8. OnMyWay

    OnMyWay Well-Known Member

    is it in new jersey, janice?
  9. tubalkain

    tubalkain Well-Known Member

    Onmyway, are you saying that people in recovery should never resort to opiates for pain, regardless of circumstances?
  10. arlenewla

    arlenewla Well-Known Member

    G-d's in NJ? I'll be hopping a plane now for Newark.:D


  11. Sluggo

    Sluggo Well-Known Member

    yes Ariel...its in South Jersey.
  12. OnMyWay

    OnMyWay Well-Known Member

    no. that is absolutely not what i am saying. but i am saying that janice throwing her back out and thinking she may need painkillers over it and describing her level of pain to us over the internet in no way leads me to any type of conclusion that this is an emergency that requires that type of medication. particularly when at no time did she describe any other, non-opiate treatment, i dont think.

    and i also think that at the er, a lot of doctors might be quick to prescribe opiates for a back injury.
  13. arlenewla

    arlenewla Well-Known Member

    Tub ~ I'm not Ariel. However, I'll try to field what I hear her saying.

    Word up...VIGILANCE! Vigilance is not fear. Vigilance is being prudent.

    When I am mindful of the fact that I have a physical allergy that can invoke the phenomenon craving...I am vigilant. Each and every instance of legitimate physical/injury has to be assessed on a case by case basis.

    There is no such thing as "never." There is only today...just for today. Janice is living the moment...the here and now to assess her physical needs. Her needs...not her wants. Very different. She is assessing her condition with sponsor and others in her recovery network.

    She is listening for direction from G-d. She is out of self-will having had the psychic change.

    Oh Lord...now I've spoken for both Ariel & Janice.[:u]


  14. OnMyWay

    OnMyWay Well-Known Member

    ill just speak for me, but i can say i didnt mind. thanks ar. that is EXACTLY what i meant.
  15. arlenewla

    arlenewla Well-Known Member

    Checkin Janice, my love. How goes the battle of the back?[x2x]


    <center>THIS TOO SHALL PASS</center>
  16. gettingbetter

    gettingbetter Well-Known Member

    I'd like to hear how the speech went, too.
  17. Sluggo

    Sluggo Well-Known Member

    very tolerable pain. as long as I don't do anything stupid...i think its gonna be just fine. will see a doc next week and figure out whats going on. perhaps a stretching or PT protocol.

    as far as last night....God's in charge. couple of people said that I "ruffled their feathers"...moved them to action...all good stuff. it was a nice group. they gave me a CD. I always disliked the sound of my own voice. reluctantly, I popped it in on my way home....my voice sounds...different. sober. wasn't so horrible.

    I was concerned that I couldn't do a full hour...crap, i coulda gone longer. I just get so enthusiastic when talkin bout recovery, meditation, presence....you know.
  18. OnMyWay

    OnMyWay Well-Known Member

    aw....yay. :)[x2x][xo]
  19. tubalkain

    tubalkain Well-Known Member

    Good points, both Ar's, especially what Onmyway pointed out, namely that there are possible alternatives to opioids for pain management, which Sluggo may not be familiar with, or it's just that us addicts are quick to dismiss them as pow wow medicine much as we tend to exaggerate pain. I understand acupuncture can be effective for instance.

    In addition, as Onmyway noted, opiates would only mask the pain, the cause won't go away, potentially creating a very dangerous situation where constant pain justifies legitimate opioid treatment but makes it easy to cross the line.
  20. teach07

    teach07 Well-Known Member

    Janice....was thinking of you earlier and just got to the computer. So glad to hear that the pain is better and that all went well for you last nite.

    As always... your faith continues to inspire me.


    Anything worth having is worth working for!

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