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ODR Book Club/ Books for recovery from addiction

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  1. everytimeIdie

    everytimeIdie Well-Known Member

    for sure it is. kinda smelly, too. you know how them LA buses get.

    i just wanna say i'm not a homophobe. i got love for anybody that got love for me.
  2. glassbottom

    glassbottom Well-Known Member

    "falling faintly and faintly falling"

    Joyce's wife, Nora Barnacle, whom he used as the inspiration for the famous Penelope section of Ulysses, was illiterate....so the greatest writer in english since shakespeare was married to a woman who could barely read.

    Sam, Proust is far from unreadable and shouldn't be considered intimidating in the least. His writing can be a bit feminine at times, but the beauty and the attention to detail are remarkable. Nabokov who was one of the most refined readers of all time listed his four favorite books of the century as 1.Ulysses 2.Metamorphosis/Kafka 3.Swann's Way/Proust 4.St.Petersburg/Biely

    But interestingly he felt that Ulysses was head and shoulders above even the other three. He said "what are the beautiful and precious bouquets of Proust alongside the terrible machines of Joyce?"

    The third chapter of Swann's Way, Swann in Love is prolly one of the single greatest descriptions of what it feels like to fall in love ever committed to paper. Lolita comes pretty close.
  3. OnMyWay

    OnMyWay Well-Known Member

  4. opidont

    opidont Well-Known Member

    personally, i like humorous books. Don Quixote is a personal favorite, as is Cosmic Banditos (warning, a lot of drug use in this book...but friggin hilarious), and I have been reading a little Christopher Moore lately.
    sad to say, though, that I have never read the Grapes of Wrath, and given the brilliant reviews, I ran out and picked it up today. Tried to get I.J., but couldn't find it around town. Oh well.

    oh, and Atlas Shrugged...though I don't agree with it..I ran through all thousand something pages of it in a little over a week, in the middle of the Alaskan wilderness no less. so, I would have to say it was a good read...that or I was just super eager to counter my exgirlfriends raving reviews of it...eh, either way.

    Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
    -Thomas Jefferson
  5. glassbottom

    glassbottom Well-Known Member

    Opi, I completely agree, I tend to prefer humorous writers. Joyce is a clear example of where humor and art intersect.

    You should try Martin Amis and Will Self. Both brish. A good starting point is Money by Amis. Nobody does debauchery like amis.
  6. opidont

    opidont Well-Known Member

    I almost</u> picked up Ulysees today, but to be honest, I am rather sick of the whole Greek epic thing. I recently had to re=read the Ilyad, the Odyssey and the Aeneid, and I'm sick of Odysseus or Ulysees or whatever. So then I looked at Dubliners, but reasoned that I could probably find the stories online for free. So I went with Grapes...figured, it being a "masterpiece" and all, that it would be a shame to live a life without enjoying it.
    Thanks for the recommendation Glass...I will be sure to put Amis on file in the memory bank and withdraw at a later date.

    Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
    -Thomas Jefferson
  7. OnMyWay

    OnMyWay Well-Known Member

    The Grapes of Wrath and Money are both fantastic, Opi. Great choices.

    And I think The Dubliners ARE available online. 'course, all these books are available at the library.
  8. opidont

    opidont Well-Known Member

    ahhh...the library. i went into my local library about a year ago to check out a book or something, and I found what I wanted and proceeded eagerly to the counter to check out, library card in hand, to find out that I owed my local library system $9-.-- because of two books I checked out in the 90's that I forgot to return. Honestly, I have yet to just have ninety something dollars sitting around to pay off my tab.

    Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
    -Thomas Jefferson
  9. gettingbetter

    gettingbetter Well-Known Member

    I am open for suggestions on the following topic: Danielle's Christmas Vacation Reading.

    I am off work from December 24-January 5. I will be traveling a bit but there will be PLENTY of time to read.

    Here is the plan: I am going to really sink my teeth into Infinite Jest (IJ). However, I know I will need breaks for other reading in between. I currently plan to re-read In The Lake of the Woods, but I have other choices too. I want to read Middlesex by Jeffry Eugenides, The Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey Niffenegger, *possibly* re-read Girlfriend in a Coma by Douglas Copeland. I also have a Dorothy Parker collection I never finished (GOD I LOVE HER), Anais Nin's Henry and June, and The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle, which isn't too bad and I read in the bathroom, but I'm getting more into the spiritual readings I had a hard time with before.

    What else, what else ... any tips on lighter reading in general? I like to alternate light/heavy reads. It is wonderful, actually, that I'm starting to dig the spiritual reading: fiction has always been my game, and broadening my horizons is good ... but OH, maybe I should re-read one of my favorite books ever: I Know This Much Is True by Wally Lamb. CLASSIC. And don't think it's in the same league as She's Come Undone by him: that's a good book, but 'True' is a friggin' masterpiece.

    That is a lot to write on the book thread but perhaps people have thoughts.
  10. OnMyWay

    OnMyWay Well-Known Member

    The Time Traveler's Wife is my favorite. [:I][xo] I love love love it.

    I like Wally Lamb...I enjoy him...but I don't know if I would call either of his books masterpieces. Actually, I think if you like Wally Lamb, you would REALLY like The Corrections. I'm not sure why I say that...I think it's because it's that kind of odd family dynamic, told in a vaguely similar ways...but I found The Corrections to be a richer story. However I did enjoy BOTH She's Come Undone AND I Know This Much Is True. I've read She's Come Undone at least twice.

    Have you read You Shall Know Our Velocity by Dave Eggers?

    Also I, Claudius, which glass recommended, is a really fun read.

    Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil. (I'm looking through my goodreads "read" shelf for "light" suggestions.)

    Ooooh. Dani I'm sure you've read A Wrinkle In Time but have you ever read the other books in the series? My favorite is A Swiftly Tilting Planet.
  11. gettingbetter

    gettingbetter Well-Known Member

    I should definitely try The Corrections, then. Because I DO think I Know This Much Is True is a ... maybe masterpiece isn't the right word. Maybe it's more of a stunning American epic. I wasn't thrilled with the ending, but I could NOT put that book down. I thought the structure was brilliant. I LOVE odd family dynamic stories that don't do that Austen Burroughs thing.

    Eggers is funny ... I love his intro to IJ. But no. Haven't read that.

    Can we do poetry on this thread, too? We could actually type out and talk about the poems. Or am I the only one that loves poetry?

    EDIT: I did Midnight In the Garden of Good and Evil when I lived in Georgia ... came out when I was living there. I actually had to write a piece on it.

    SECOND EDIT: You read The Hours by Michael Cunningham? That's a great one too. And people actually read I, Claudius? I thought it was just a mini series for f's sake.
  12. OnMyWay

    OnMyWay Well-Known Member

    I think starting a poetry thread is a totally awesome idea.
  13. OnMyWay

    OnMyWay Well-Known Member

    i'll add it to my "to read" shelf right now....

    hey, i tried to get the book channah recommended....TWICE. but i left my list on my desk at work...TWICE. and there was NO way i was remembering that author's name. [V]
  14. gettingbetter

    gettingbetter Well-Known Member

    You think it should be a separate thread, or would it mesh well here? People could build off it, go back and forth to books .. I do see the point of a separate thread, though, because it's a different medium.

    Oh God. If there is a poetry thread by itself I might never leave this board. But that's okay.
  15. gettingbetter

    gettingbetter Well-Known Member

    OH MY GOD A WRINKLE IN TIME IS MY FAVORITE BOOK EVER. You know ... I re-read it once a year. But I have to admit that I haven't read the other two ... I take it you were a Meg growing up, like me, eh? I LOVE the end of that story. I might actually make my kids read it this year. I'll buy the damn copies myself, I don't give a $hit, ARIEL PLEASE GO READ THE GIVER ...
  16. OnMyWay

    OnMyWay Well-Known Member

    There are actually four in the series...It was part of the Time Quartet. I only remember two, because the library didn't have A Swiftly Tilting Planet, so for me to read it, my mom had to buy it for me (which was very rare). So I read it over and over and over again. And it is fabulous. The main character is Charles Wallace. In Many Waters, the other one I kind of remember, the twins are the main characters.

    Edit: OBVIOUSLY the other of the two I was referring to is A Wrinkle In Time. I meant, I kind of remember a third, too. :)
  17. gettingbetter

    gettingbetter Well-Known Member

    A Wind in the Door, I think it is. Is Many Waters new? I don't remember the twins being central figures. Don't Meg/Calvin end up married? Is it in Planet that they're married and Meg is all brilliant and kicks ass, like she always did?

    I seem to have a thing for iconoclastic independent outspoken female protagonists that others find odd. I wonder why.
  18. OnMyWay

    OnMyWay Well-Known Member

    The one I don't remember? Yes. But I don't remember what it is about. Haha.

    Hey, for light reading: Me Talk Pretty One Day by David Sedaris.
  19. gettingbetter

    gettingbetter Well-Known Member

    Oh my god, Barrel Fever is my favorite Sedaris: thank you for reminding me. There's a Christmas letter from a woman in there that is the DARKEST SATIRE EVER and it is HILARIOUS. I'm gonna try to find it, can't remember the name.
  20. OnMyWay

    OnMyWay Well-Known Member

    Did you know that Madeleine L'Engle died? Not a long time ago or anything; the answer to this COULD be yes (although it isn't) but yeah. She died last year.

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