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ODR Book Club/ Books for recovery from addiction

Discussion in '~ Articles ~ Info ~ Links ~ Data ~' started by Arrie, Jul 5, 2004.

  1. Rainier

    Rainier Well-Known Member

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    Glynntoo -

    Sorry, put that last response with the wrong name!

    I'm glad you're ordering those books - I am sure you (and the kids!) will enjoy them.

    In terms of Gaiman's adult fiction, I'd suggest you start with American Gods. Or if you like fairy tales, Stardust is excellent.
  2. beancounter

    beancounter Well-Known Member

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    What a great thread. Reading is something I have enjoyed thoroughly since I have been clean. I just couldn't seem to finish anything when I was using.

    A few recent reads I would suggest:

    Those Who Save Us by Jenna Blum (I couldn't put this one down)

    Going after Cacciato by Tim O'brien

    The Sirens of Titan by Kurt Vonnegut (really anything by vonnegut is worth reading)

    The Proud Bastards by E. Michael Helms (currently reading)
  3. Rainier

    Rainier Well-Known Member

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    This is indeed an awesome thread.

    I have not read any of those except Vonnegut, whom I also really love. I will have to check them out!

    The only thing I was always able to do while using was read, and I am thankful that using did not interfere with it. Then again, if it had, I might've quit a long time ago; reading is my oldest and maybe my strongest addiction, one that I never plan to give up.
  4. Torushima

    Torushima Well-Known Member

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    I'd plow through hundreds of pages while high on smack, but would inevitably a.) nod off and read the same passage dozens of times or b.) forget everything that I did manage to read.
  5. Rainier

    Rainier Well-Known Member

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    Hahaha...I've done a lot of that too. Consequently, I have a lot of books that are trashed because I've read them over and over. On the bright side, it means you get to enjoy the story just as much on the 30th read...
  6. Torushima

    Torushima Well-Known Member

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    For sure, Rain.

    I wanted to add something to the discussion on literature for young adults and children:

    John Bellairs.

    Bellairs excelled at writing gothic mysteries, like "The Face in the Frost" and "The House with a Clock in Its Walls." Think Harry Potter meets Edward Gorey's "The Gashlycrumb Tinies."


    From Wikipedia:

    The Face in the Frost is a short 1969 fantasy novel by author John Bellairs. Unlike most of his later works, this book is meant for adult readers. It centers on two accomplished wizards, Prospero ("and not the one you're thinking of") and Roger Bacon, tracking down the source of a great magical evil. Playfully written with frightening dips into necromancy, the novel includes talking mirrors, carriages made out of turnips and miniature wizards bobbing through underground rivers in miniature ships, but also disturbing imagery including magically mummified animals, melting cities, and souls trapped within their own graves. This quality prompted Ursula K. Le Guin to say of the novel, "The Face in the Frost takes us into pure nightmare before we know it—and out the other side."
  7. gettingbetter

    gettingbetter Well-Known Member

  8. glynntoo

    glynntoo Well-Known Member

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    I've ordered so many books - now we need to decide in what order to read. Thanks to all of you for your suggestions....

    Gettingbetter - I've emailed my grandson's tutor at school about READ 180...

    Re: reading specialist, etc. Not sure, will find out. I've got to say this school has gone all out to accomodate this strange situation...although I was told recently they've got two more kids his age the same thing occured...he will probably be tested for disability a little later...when he was tested in May he was so far behind psychologist stated - educational deprivation - and couldn't make any further conclusions. He is caught up now (!) and excelling in some areas so can be tested easier, I think. Plus, he is not as nervous around authority. We're making progress, for sure...and these suggestions are a great help to me....
  9. krish

    krish Well-Known Member

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    I am sorry Glynn.. I keep forgetting to ask Andy for his suggestions. I know I told you about his wonderful teacher in middle school for reading/english. He had her in 6ht and 8th grade. She worked hard to find things he would be interested in and I would buy them, then I donated them back to her for other boys that age.. and for the life of me, I can't remember any of them! HA.
  10. Torushima

    Torushima Well-Known Member

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    So, I just finished the aforementioned Philip Norman's "John Lennon: The Life." I'm not going to write a book review, but here are some bullet points:

    - He was a sarcastic, acerbic chap, making so many "offensive" comments to the UK press that they eventually grew accustomed to their volatility after awhile and overlooked them (see: "Christianity will vanish and shrink").

    - He was punk rock before the term was even defined, insulting audiences in Hamburg (goosestepping across the stage, feigning being a cripple and calling them "f**king Nazis") in between eating chicken wings, brawling and drinking on stage.

    - He recognized his genius from an early age, telling his mates in the early-1960s that he'd "rather kill himself than get a real job"

    - He was a heroin addict, kicking cold turkey in '69 and writing a song about it. According to Norman, Lennon and Ono were receiving methadone treatment until '73, at least, when they drove from NYC to San Francisco to a clinic.

    - He was always growing and evolving. If his career progressed after his househusband stage from 1975-80, he would've continued to contribute unprecedented, unimaginable things to the field of music and public dialogue.

    I didn't know much of that stuff before reading this book, and perhaps you didn't, either.

  11. Rainier

    Rainier Well-Known Member

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    That sounds like a really cool book; I'll have to check it out. I'm still working on Keef Richard's Life,which is excellent.
  12. Torushima

    Torushima Well-Known Member

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    I raise you a John Lennon and give you a Rolling Stones:
  13. Torushima

    Torushima Well-Known Member

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    Hey, Folks --

    Since this is our reading thread, I thought that I'd share some medical stuff that I've read about insomnia, specifically Fatal Familial Insomnia.

    It's a prion disease that kills you from a lack of sleep.

    Charming, isn't it?

    Granted, you shouldn't worry about coming down with it because it's a genetic disease that only afflicts 100 people worldwide, but I thought that it was interesting, nonetheless.

    You can read more about it on Wikipedia. I'd recommend checking out these excellent profiles on the World of Lucid Dreaming.

    So while most of us are up S**t Creek when it comes to catching some Z's, it's unlikely that we will descend into insomnia-induced dementia and become "mute over the course of six months... progressing into complete sleeplessness that is untreatable and ultimately fatal."
  14. Sluggo

    Sluggo Well-Known Member

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    wow....all my detox and treatment centers always told me 'no one ever died from lack of sleep'.

  15. Torushima

    Torushima Well-Known Member

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    That's one of the reasons why I posted that.

    In addition, the statement should read "No one ever directly died from a lack of sleep."

    Tangent: I'm guessing that therapists and soothsayers don't factor in all of the folks who've blown their skulls off as a result of their insomnia.

    So yeah, at least we don't have FFI. Or smallpox.
  16. Torushima

    Torushima Well-Known Member

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    Urgh, the bar scene here in Desolation Peak ain't doing it for me tonight. If I see another 30-year-old blue collar worker with s**tkickin' construction boots hoot, holler and then kick the jukebox before it cranks out yet another Steely Dan, Bob Seger or Bad Company song for them to linedance to -- yee-haws and babies watching from the sidelines; a bloated bartender letting elderly pensioners suck tequila shots from her tits -- I'll wind up in the lock-up for grievous bodily harm and then proceed to off myself for becoming a part of it all.

    Now, not for me, not now. So it's time to get brainy.

    How does "The Proud Bastards" distinguish itself from the loads of other warrior memoirs? Does it kick copious amounts of arse?

    My local Borders Books and Music is going out of business and I should fly by to pick some of the scraps from the flesh, like a vulture with a pince-nez.

    Here's what else I've been reading:

    The Best American Mystery Stories 2009, Edited by Jeffery Deaver
    If your comfort level of the mystery genre remains soaked in noir -- dames with guns and their problems -- or the more traditional murder mysteries, then you may find this anthology disagreeable. Many disintegrating heads, inbred local yokels, coke-slinging mommies, crooked Guatemalan baseball outfits, amateur superheroes, German pedophiles, pistol-packing nuns and historical revisionism with J. Edgar Hoover (and his disintegrated head) all make an appearance in the cast of characters. Brilliant stuff for the more morbid among us.

    I Am Ozzy, by Ozzy Osbourne with Chris Ayres
    The Godfather of Metal dishes on his sordid life, from working at a carhorn factory in his youth to shooting chickens in a booze-soaked bust-up at his bucolic home to feeding the local vicar his potent brand of Afghanistan hash -- and leaving him on his front stoop. (Yeah, the Alamo, the death of Rhoads and bats all get ample coverage.) Hilary ensues throughout, as does reams on paper detailing the Ozz Man's addiction to just about every narcotic under the sun and his personal odyssey towards survival.

    Screams from the Balcony, Charles Bukowski
    The private letters of American's (Drunken) Poet Laureate. A quick flip through its 372-pages dredges up statistically improbable sentences like "you are like me baby, the life and the way is killing you -- it may come out in the chest or the a**hole or the belly... SOMETHING HOLLERS," and "no no no, I don't like snowstorms, I almost died in one, and I am too old to die. death is only for the young, oh christ, forgive me. I keep opening my mouth, you know, I am always in a jam."

    So, what are you reading?
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2011
  17. Rainier

    Rainier Well-Known Member

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    Jinger -

    I love your description of the local bar scene - sounds almost as bad as ours. Sad, sad, sad...

    I must read that volume of mystery stories. It sounds like my kind of a good time!

    I recently read Kraken, by China Mieville. It is an excellent if bizzare book, centered on a Kraken-based religious cult and a squidnapping. Mieville is, in my opinion, one of the most interesting writers around today. His work is fantasy; most of what he writes falls into the steampunk genre. And what an imagination this guy has!!! His books are unlike anything else I've ever read; unfortunately, there aren't too many authors of whom I can say that.If you've never read him, the place to start would be with Perdido Street Station, followed by The Scar. Or just jump on into Kraken; it is unrelated to his other work.

    Ive got Nightmares and Dreamscapes (Stephen King stories) available for pickup at the library via inter-library loan.

    It may be true that no one ever died directly from lack of sleep, but it is also true that is universally utilized in 'enhanced interrogation'.
  18. Torushima

    Torushima Well-Known Member

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    I think that many local pubs in America's hinterland order their patrons from the same catalog as the fixtures:

    One case of Yuengling pint glasses (24 count); one dozen Hillsdale Easy Assembly Montello 30" Swivel Bar Stools (red color); three dozen generic prints total of any (or a combination) of the following -- Irish landscapes, sepia-toned athletic team portraits pre-1945 (any sport), NASCAR events and bikini-clad women; one Budweiser Stained Glass Pool Table Light; three dozen Caucasian Males (dress code: "I Can't Drive 55") and one dozen Caucasian females (dress code: Forever 21 with a mature twist).

    Thanks for the China Mevielle recommendation -- I'll definitely look into him. And you rarely go wrong with Stephen King.
  19. Torushima

    Torushima Well-Known Member

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    Speaking of Stephen King, I forgot to mention that I am also reading “Rose Madder,” his (fictional) tale of domestic abuse that contains one of the most graphic descriptions of brutality-induced miscarriage that I have ever read.

    I used to read a lot of King as a kid but he fell by the wayside as I got older. Now I am rediscovering him and find his brand of escapism highly-agreeable.


    The social networking site goodreads* is a valuable resource if you’re into books, research and discussing what you’ve read.

    It’s a lot more user-friendly than Amazon (site navigation, layout, user profiles) and the user-generated reviews (and forums) tend to be more literate and useful.

    Even if you’re not a big reader but are looking for useful resources—say, material on addiction—the search engine is pretty damn spiffy:

    A book search for “addiction” brings up 1669 results, ranging from “Beautiful Boy: A Father’s Journey Through His Son’s Addiction” to “Whores: An Oral Biography of Perry Farrell and Jane’s Addiction.”

    A group search for “recovery” brings up 12 results, including the intra-community literary groups 12 Step Recovery & Friends (23 members) and Buddhism and Recovery (17 members).

    *No, I’m not on their payroll.

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