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One week down.. yawning is uncontrollable

Discussion in 'The Lighter Side of Recovery' started by stayingCLEANforever, May 19, 2008.

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  1. opidont

    opidont Well-Known Member

    when i get enough time in to be taken seriously ill get back with you. this is just my personal opinion...though i havent really smoked pot in any amount for any time in 5 years...
    im talking about something i experienced...and i cant finish this discussion till i have experienced more of what you have. im not defending my desire to smoke pot...i could care less i just don't think it is a dangerous substance. the addiction is purely psychological and you can have that with everything. the grease from your egg mcmuffin can cause heart disease...the number ONE leading cause of death in the United States

    and as far as life getting unmanageable with McDonalds...ask someone with an eating disorder
     
  2. opidont

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  3. arlenewla

    arlenewla Well-Known Member

    That is correct, Ben. You cannot. Nor will you able to, I fear, if you continue your present line of thought.

    Don't want abstinence...no problem. Just don't look for ways to bastardize the agenda of recovery.

    Arlene
    Exodus From MMT;12-25-02
    <center>THIS TOO SHALL PASS</center>
     
  4. OnMyWay

    OnMyWay Well-Known Member

    wow. congratulations on quitting smoking, arlene.
     
  5. arlenewla

    arlenewla Well-Known Member

    Day 10.:D[B)][8D]:(:)

    The impetus, once again, was my children. In this specific case...my grandchildren. I didn't want to see them both this past weekend smelling of nicotine.

    I was just thinking about this pot thing again. Somehow, I can't imagine telling my grandchildren that they while they have an opiate free grannie, she smokes pot. My granddaughter calls me Nana In Black (to differentiate me from her other grandmother). I can't envision her introducing me as Nana Who Smokes Pot.

    Ben's arguments regarding caffeine & McDonald's represent the classic intransgiency thought patterns of addicts when it comes to defending pot use. Quite specious.

    Arlene
    Exodus From MMT;12-25-02
    <center>THIS TOO SHALL PASS</center>
     
  6. OnMyWay

    OnMyWay Well-Known Member

    i used to smoke pot every day. when i quit taking pills, i thought i was good. i never even considered quitting pot, too. but that was mainly because i couldn't imagine life without that crutch. and it was also because i didn't realize what a crutch it was...until i tried to quit.

    quitting pot made a bigger positive impact on my life than quitting opiates.

    nicotine, mcdonalds, and caffeine: i quit smoking cigarettes several months after that. that was another HUGE, positive change. i DO have an eating disorder, so mcdonalds was something else i had to deal with. um...that was/is hard. but to me, it was important. caffeine, i agree, belongs in the list of substances that some people--including myself--get carried away with, so i'm currently "working" on that--and as it is the last thing i am attached to, i am having the hardest time with it. but i'm not giving up; im GOING to get this. however, i also recognize that it is not as imperitive that i solve the problem immediately as it was when i decided to stop taking opiates.

    im sure these things are not problems for everyone. for this addict, they were/are. for me, they are all symptoms, though of varying degrees, of the same problem.

    edit: thanks for the article, opi. i think...i need to make cutting out caffeine a bigger priority.
     
  7. opidont

    opidont Well-Known Member

     
  8. OnMyWay

    OnMyWay Well-Known Member

    completely sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong, i have to reiterate arlene's point that pot can often make one's life unmanageable, while caffeine is much less likely to do so. having already stated my own addictions to both....that is definitely my opinion as well.

    clearly, everyone is different. but i have known many people addicted to both in my life...and i would say that pot is by far the more negative influence on the lives of people i've met.
     
  9. teach07

    teach07 Well-Known Member

    When I was younger I use to LMAO when I heard the premise that smoking pot leads to Hard drugs. I dont really believe that today either BUT if you are an "addict in waiting" when you start with pot I do believe it is a gateway drug. I smoked pot most of my life. Not too much the last few years cause it just did not do it for me anymore. I wanted more than what it gave me. Typical addict behavior on my part.

    I have even thought about somking a little dope during my early recovery. BUT, I know in my heart of hearts that if I do, it will only be a matter of time before I rationalize myself right back to a pill here and a pill there then..........

    Just my opinion on the matter, as I have found this thread to be interesting and like I always say ... To each his own. Carol

    Anything worth having is worth working for!
     
  10. opidont

    opidont Well-Known Member

    see, thats the thing. i know several people who smoke pot...dont take anything else but pot. and their lives are not unmanageable. they hold jobs, take their kids to the playground...many even play sports. you give these same people cocaine, opiates, methamphetamines for the same amount of time that they have been smoking pot and...yeah, their lives will be unmanageable.

    i pretty much completely agree with you Carol.

    i just cannot lump marijuana in with opiates and that sort of ilk. maybe smoking pot can be a trigger...i can definitely see that. but to say pot "addict" makes me think of Half Baked where the guy goes into the group meeting and declares himself a pot "addict" and Bob Sagat stands up and goes "Pot!!!...i used to suck di*k for cocaine have you ever sucked di*k for marijuana...pot aint an addiction man"
    as far as it leading to other drugs...alcohol did a MUCH more thorough job of that
     
  11. OnMyWay

    OnMyWay Well-Known Member

    but that isnt necessarily true. when i was taking pills, i was always employeed. i graduated college with honors. i was an active member of my family. i did plenty of positive things. but my life was still unmanageable.

    external accomplishments do not necessarily make for a manageable life. that understanding is a huge part of step one. and you simply do not know the state of someone else's well being just because they tell you they are happy and doing great and you see them playing with their children.
     
  12. opidont

    opidont Well-Known Member

    yeah, but they are also not depressed, wishing to get out of the problem...feeling trapped or any of that either. they're not on a declining path...they are HAPPY

    you can tell if people are happy...it kinda comes out.
     
  13. OnMyWay

    OnMyWay Well-Known Member

    there is a father who attends my tuesday night meetings. he used to do hard drugs when he was younger, but for years he has only smoked pot. for many, many years. he wasn't depressed. he was perfectly content to keep smoking until the end of last summer, when his daughter, who grew up perfectly happy with the understanding that her father's medicine was smoked in bongs, was put into a seven-day coma because she was experimenting with heroin. that was the day he realized that his using had become unmanageable--if not for him, than for his family.

    by the way, i happen to know that the daughter lies about being clean. her being in a coma did not affect her as greatly as it affected her father, who hasn't smoked since. after all, she watched her father smoke pot since she was born. she feels she's earned her chance to do what she wants now. besides, how bad could drugs be? her dad never had any problems.

    look, opi...i agree that pot is probably not a problem for everybody. i certainly have no idea about "everyone." all i can tell you is that it is, without a doubt, a problem for some people.
     
  14. opidont

    opidont Well-Known Member

    i have to lump that in with another problem stemming from the illegalization rather than the substance. else, you could say that children also lead to heroin from parents who drink occasionally or smoke cigarettes
     
  15. clint

    clint Well-Known Member

    I don't smoke pot nor advocate it. My sponser does consider himself sober. If it keeps him from drinking so be it. Maybe thats why i no longer go to the meeetings. Seems like its kinda fake. Just pointing out there is alot we don't know about the substance. For myself i don't like the way i feel on it, for some it is a good thing for them. I'm not judgeing or labeling anything, more open minded then most i guess. I got enough to worry about with my own situation.
     
  16. opidont

    opidont Well-Known Member

    4-5 years ago before ex-girlfriends/opiates and all that mess that got me here today...i smoked pot regularly and was very happy. people even told me that i was one of the happiest-go-lucky people they knew. many people were very concerned the instant i started this opiate mess, cause they could tell an over night difference. to lump marijuana in the same addiction categories with opiates and other drugs just isn't right...its not in the same ballpark...same city, state, province, planet or universe

    and im going to throw this out there:D
    they give it to cancer patients to alleviate many of the same symptoms from their chemo drugs that opiate withdrawals have. pot has no adverse side effects that can cause harm to the body...and it is much safer than clonodine. you CANNOT OD on marijuana and if you eat it..caffeine does more damage to the body. marijuana is completely non toxic to biological tissues when eaten
     
  17. teach07

    teach07 Well-Known Member

    OMW, I was also very successful as a student and in my career. Teacher of the year twice, mentor to other new teachers and I had 8 student teachers train under me over the years. The kids love me too.:)

    I have figured out however that all I ever felt REALLY comfortable with was my role as a teacher. I used alcohol and drugs to help me feel comfortable in all the other areas in my life that I just did not feel "up to snuff in", if you know what I mean.

    By all outward apperances I was a happy, succesful, strong individual who could do anything. Underneath all that, I am really a selfconscience little girl who wants your approval above anything else. ( i am making progress in this area I am happy to say:D)

    Again I think the bottom line is.... if your a DRUG ADDICT then putting DRUGS in your body isnt a good idea regardless of whether or not they are physically or psychologically addicting. Just MHO. Carol

    Anything worth having is worth working for!
     
  18. tubalkain

    tubalkain Well-Known Member

    How about sugar, a very dangerous, addictive and mind-altering drug? Or turkey, tryptophans and all that.

    On another note, so could you say, Arlene, that it is only now that you are detoxing from cigarettes that you are (going to be) really clean, sober and chemical-free?
     
  19. teach07

    teach07 Well-Known Member

    Ok I just cant hold back any longer............... Go suck an egg :):D[:x)][:u][88]

    Anything worth having is worth working for!
     
  20. opidont

    opidont Well-Known Member

    agreed..completely. but...when you talk about psychologically addicting...ANYTHING can be psychologically addicting. eating, running, sex, video games, TV, meetings, marijuana, raping young children....just about anything. now some of these are arguably worse than others, and some can be said to be very positive addictions...but addictions nonetheless.
    seems that there are such a VAST number of people who take some kinda of psychotropic substance...whether it be nicotine, caffeine, marijuana or any other myriad of common household substances that help people to cope with stress, or sleep, or whatever. it can be arguably be said that the use of substances is human nature in coping with stress. if im tired and cant sleep ill take a tylenol PM. well tylenol PM is also addictive...and is vastly more toxic to the body than marijuana.

    by the way.... day 13 and i feel pretty darn tuttin today. ive been up hopping around and really smiling for the first time in awhile.

    and tubalkin...difference between sugar and marijuana is you cant live without sugar.
     
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