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One week down.. yawning is uncontrollable

Discussion in 'The Lighter Side of Recovery' started by stayingCLEANforever, May 19, 2008.

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  1. Passingthru

    Passingthru Well-Known Member

    Goran,

    Interesting point...what's scary is that the difference between addiction to opiates and sugar is only a matter of degrees.</u>

    In fact, the current popularity or soaring use of opiates, that is heading to epidemic as in the case of our youth, has a nutritional basis...opiates in general dovetail perfectly into our SAD diet - it will get worse before it gets better.

    Actually, I would be curious to how many people here, have a coexisting addiction to SUGAR/CARBS - likely - MANY!!
     
  2. opidont

    opidont Well-Known Member

    man....this thread was SOOOOO hijacked

    sorry

    as far as the sugar goes...i have a bad sweet tooth. its hard for me to resist cokes...ive only had like 4 since i jumped off the sub..and i about jump out of my seat more for one of those than the opiates. same thing with candy...i cant buy any or it will be all gone in seconds.
    but not all sugars are bad sugars...there are all kinds of different sugars needed by the body as both monosaccharides and polysaccharides...glucose and glycogen are two (respectfully) that you really do not desire to go without. diabetes doesn't sound fun to me.
     
  3. arlenewla

    arlenewla Well-Known Member

    Don't look for me to reset my sobriety date any time soon.[88]

    Arlene
    Exodus From MMT;12-25-02
    <center>THIS TOO SHALL PASS</center>
     
  4. opidont

    opidont Well-Known Member

    :Dnah, we wouldn't want you to do that[:x)]
     
  5. tubalkain

    tubalkain Well-Known Member

    obviously brain needs sugar, but does it have to be white sugar and simple carbs? I was led to believe sugar is physically addictive, you build tolerance and all that and as Passingthru said, most junkies I know (including me) love(d) and crave(d) sweets, perhaps also part of the reason you don't see many junkies in toothpaste commercials.

    edit (from Wiki):
    Sugar addiction is a popular term for the situation where individuals crave sweet foods, and find them impossible to give up. Though there is most likely a significant aspect of psychological addiction, recent research has also identified elements of physical dependence:

    "Recent behavioral tests in rats further back the idea of an overlap between sweets and drugs. Drug addiction often includes three steps. A person will increase his intake of the drug, experience withdrawal symptoms when access to the drug is cut off and then face an urge to relapse back into drug use. Rats on sugar have similar experiences. Researchers withheld food for 12 hours and then gave rats food plus sugar water. This created a cycle of binging where the animals increased their daily sugar intake until it doubled. When researchers either stopped the diet or administered an opioid blocker the rats showed signs common to drug withdrawal, such as teeth-chattering and the shakes. Early findings also indicate signs of relapse. Rats weaned off sugar repeatedly pressed a lever that previously dispensed the sweet solution." (Leah Ariniello, Brain Briefings, October 2003)
    However, the sugar industry claims that similar effects have been reported for rats given solutions that tasted sweet, but contained no calories. [1]

    Withdrawal symptoms have been reported, including headaches, fatigue, tremors, anxiety and depression. These effects are reported to be similar to, but slightly less intense than those associated with caffeine withdrawal. No research has been conducted as to whether table sugar (sucrose) alone is responsible for these effects, or whether any other sugars common in the diet (such as lactose or fructose) exhibit similar effects.

    P.S. Surely thread is hijacked, but isn't it normal in any conversation to jump from one subject to another. I'm sure the original poster doesn't mind.
     
  6. dd

    dd Well-Known Member

    Hey guys
    Just wanted to add my two cents but before I do I have to say that this thread has been to say the least very interesting and amusing, which has helped me today. I really needed to smile a bit.
    Everyone has their own points and that is great. We are entitled to them. Only thing I see on this board is wonderful information that we all have free will to take or reject.

    On the sugar...Just wanted to say that as long as I have been on the opiates I have always had a strong urge for sugar(especially in the middle of the night)wake up and I look for anything choc etc.. plus that cigarette.:)

    It seems that now on sub not so much a craving for it and the few times that I was sober in the past 7yrs same thing, not looking for that sugar. I think it has to do with the opiates or something chemical in our bodies. I will leave it at that though because I am not well versed in that area concerning the chemical makeup and all but I will take a sugar,caffeine,tobacco,and dare I say pot addiction to opiate addiction anyday. (I don;t smoke pot anymore)but can see why and how it's a comfort in early recovery. Just not a good idea for me.:)

    Hope you all are have a great day. Again,thanks for all that you give so freely to everyone in need.

    Have A Blessed Day!
    Didi
     
  7. Mic

    Mic Guest

    It looks as though most of us (myself included) are tiring of the incessant focus on</u> drugs in this thread. In one respect, I "get" this. What addict wouldn't be willing to talk about drugs all day long? But I thought that we, by our very presence here have decided to make that leap of faith from problem-consciousness to solution-consciousness?

    We are trying to identify ways to put drugs behind</u> us, not in front</u> of us. Detox and recovery isn't for everyone, but let's give our members the very best shot at this...the best experience that they can get out of this site.

    Mic

    </center><center>It takes what it takes
     
  8. stayingCLEANforever

    stayingCLEANforever Active Member

    No, I surely Dont mind at all! I would have been a part of this debate earlier if I wasn't watching Euro 2008 soccer matches all day... I dont know where I should start because I have several things to add..

    Everyone knows my stance on MJ so I'll leave that where it is.. I do however, want to let everyone know that since quitting pills I only smoke/vape once a day, at night before bed.

    I do want to touch on the carb/sugar addiction topic. During my time on pills I HAD to have desert (anything cookies n creme) EVERYNIGHT sometimes several servings.. I could not control myself.. I was probably eating &lt;500 calories of regular food usually in just one meal and &gt;2500 calories of sweets every day. I constantly ate entire bags of OREOs in a single sitting. Since the day I quit I haven't had any ice cream, oreos, or the like.. I chalked it up to just being 'one of those things' pillheads do.. But I know there is something biologically behind it considering one of the most common side effect of antidepressants (& happy marriage) is weight gain.

    Approaching day 30 I might as well mention some other stuff i have tinkered with lately.. During the first week I smoked a few ciggys and packed a dip each day. The next week I just dipped occasionaly.. The third week I dipped maybe twice the whole week. Havent had any nicotine in the last 8 days. I used to be a pack a day smoker for a stint when I was 16 and never found myself having any cravings like I did back then. I just did it to keep myself doing something when I had no energy. It probably didnt help anything, it was just a time waster.

    As far as decriminalization of marijuana is concernced. I am one of the biggest advocates. I use it as medicine. I honestly agree that if it was recognized for legal/legitimate uses and was regulated and taxed just as alcohol and tobacco that the positives would become very very clear. The whole "gateway drug" stigma would a thing of the past. I would have never gotten into coc or pills if I never had to obtain MJ illegaly. Its the basics of criminal behavior. Once you break the law, it becomes ever so easy to do it again. I can go on all day about the positives and negatives of MJ and its stepbrother hemp (its how I passed all my comp classes in college). After reading almost every peer-reviewed article on the subject including the extremes of both views, I would have to conclude that the positives greatly outweigh the negatives and most arguments against it are biased.


    Once we realize this DRUG isnt that bad.. The door will open for the REAL revolution in America, hemp.. A possible cure to our declining economic status.. And dare I say, oil dependance too?! Hemp can produce almost as much ethanol as corn in half the amount of land.. Just something to ponder..

    MY MINDS THE WEAPON...., MY HEARTS THE EXTRA CLIP.
     
  9. stayingCLEANforever

    stayingCLEANforever Active Member

    Doesnt sub have glucose(sugar) in it??

    MY MINDS THE WEAPON...., MY HEARTS THE EXTRA CLIP.
     
  10. Freefly

    Freefly Well-Known Member

    Man I would LOVE to fire up some Killer KIND BUD. Man it is just a phone call away. My old business partner has been ummm in the business for 25 years. Anyways all I will do is lay around and eat and do nothing then go pull a few more bongs and do it over and over and over.

    Next think i will be looking for a better high, one with some ZANG so a half gram of coke and a half gram of smack, cook it up, into a nice rig and BAM!!!!! Back on the Junkie Highway.

    That is why I do not fire up Hondo anymore just never enough for me.That is why I need to work a program and help others to keep my self clean and sober for today. We can talk drugs all day long but living recovery and getting their is a lot more productive.

    Day by Day is the only way....
     
  11. dd

    dd Well-Known Member



    Have A Blessed Day!
    Didi
     
  12. dd

    dd Well-Known Member



    Not sure about the sugar being in sub but I really don't care.(not being sarcastic). I just want it to do the job it's meant to do and be done with it real soon.
    Hope you are doing well today!

    Have A Blessed Day!
    Didi
     
  13. clint

    clint Well-Known Member

    If yawning is the worst you have experienced, get on your knees and thank the powers that be. As far as the pot goes, you really have to know yourself, to know the sutle effects from it. Took me many years to figure it out. I was struggleing with drinking would quit be alright for awhile then start smoking pot as a substitute. What would happen time after time is my resolve would be weakened ever so slightly and i'd start drinking again. Time and time again, just be carefull, some are alright with it others not so lucky.
     
  14. Nomadic

    Nomadic Well-Known Member

    I believe this is the issue with Pot. It's an altered mind that can lead to bad decisions. I drink very seldom, never liked the idea of waking up feeling like hell. I did notice that when I was trying to quit the pills that if I drank that it would generally lead me back to my DOC. Altered mind leads to bad decisions.

    Under the Influence when driving doesn't only mean drinking. Anything that can impairs ones driving skills. As for these self prognoses that it doesn't effect you...who says? You? You're high. ha!!

    nomadic

    "an honest man's pillow is his peace of mind" John Mellencamp Minutes to Memories
     
  15. stayingCLEANforever

    stayingCLEANforever Active Member

    assuming your talking about MJ being included in DWI...

    mmm.. maybe for the first timer.. its only my opinion but i think someone who is experienced both with driving and smoking can drive just fine (high on pot).. Recent studies are proving that MJ really doesnt affect hand eye coordination nor reaction time as much as other research has suggested.. Vince Young smoked everyday of his last season at TEXAS and it didnt hinder him too much.. I used to work out at an MMA gym and you would be surprised the amount of fighters (amateurs and professionals) that smoke to train and smoke to fight and really dont think there is any advantage/disadvantage, if they feel that they can get into a human cockfight high, i think one can get behind the wheel. I dont know about cops in your area, but here you can get pulled blazed as hell reeking like a blunt and sure u might get searched but if they find a small amount or nothing they will send you on your way.. I used to commute 6 hours 2 times a week for a year and a half and a fat spliff just made me that much more paranoid about my speed and surroundings. I have never got a ticket(knock on wood) nor been in an accident (only NEARLY avioded idiot drivers..)

    if an irresponsible driver gets into the car high or not, they might kill someone.. I feel like all these "high driver kills girl" stories are the result of the person driving not the drugs affect on them.

    but then again ill leave this like i started it.. ITS ONLY MY OPINION (and no im not high.. havent been since monday night) but maybe MY OPINION is what it is because of everything i have seen and experienced.. I have been fascinated and curious by drug use since I was in middle school and started doing reports and such about drugs and I was very ANTI until my curiosity outweighed my onlookers fascination.. So I sought it out, tried it.. and nothing happened.. dissatisfied with the result i kept trying and met more and more people all of which I was analyzing from day one.. I personally know a handful of professional athletes, political officials, successful people, unsuccessful people, and junkies who all use and I judge what it has done to their lives (and my own). My father used to smoke pot everyday, my parents divorced because of it when I was 13 months old (if you read above my mom has never done an illicit drug in her life nor been drunk), so i think i might have some real insight into both sides of the argument.. I will be the first to admit I am very young, and I know that your opinions are based on YOUR experiences which in time I might experience for myself..

    I will also admit that the HIGH TIMES-HOMEGROWER generation are creating some potent indica strains (very popular, high yielding for commercial growing) with very high CBD content (the stuff that makes that couch-lock feeling) that will send you feeling no energy for hours. This stuff will make the most experienced users lathargic with no determination. A heady sativa strain can feel almost the opposite.. Nomatter what it is I have I still seem to get sleepy a few hours after I come down so its best for me to use in the evenings to unwind.. It tastes much better than a ciger and thousands times better than ciggarettes (and slowing down is way easier)so for now I feel it works for me.. For the future holds what it holds.. I am moving to england next spring so I'm sure a hiatus from my "med" will be in order. Maybe I will have more insight then..


    As far as being a pot addict seeking treatment.. I think that same person could be one of the many people seeking treatment for TECHNOLOGY or INTERNET addictions. If you do something enough it will become routine and it isnt easy to break routine.. Nothing is easy to quit whether its sex, drugs, or rock n roll. For every pothead seeking help through NA/AA I am sure there are a thousand potheads quitting succesfuly on their own..

    And since this post is already this long I might as well mention again that I AGREE that if one is not a regular pot user a
     
  16. stayingCLEANforever

    stayingCLEANforever Active Member

    Lighter side?

    Stiffled..

    MY MINDS THE WEAPON...., MY HEARTS THE EXTRA CLIP.
     
  17. arlenewla

    arlenewla Well-Known Member

    I dunno' if this is just me or what??? I'm sitting here shaking my head in disbelief.

    Last time, I looked, this was an addiction site. A recovery site.

    What is the purpose of smoking pot? To dull emotions. To be mellow. To change perceptions. To dull the senses (& to get the munchies). Motor coordination is impaired. Sights and sounds are changed.

    Do you want the guy driving an 18 wheeler next to you on the freeway high on pot?

    Give me a freaking break. I repeat....there is a guy here in treatment right at this very minute who killed someone while he was driving high on pot. He's been alternatively sentenced. The family of the guy he killed would highly disagree with your theorems.

    Arlene
    Exodus From MMT;12-25-02
    <center>THIS TOO SHALL PASS</center>
     
  18. Nomadic

    Nomadic Well-Known Member

    Here we have D.U.I. driving under the influence. Wow, such knowledge. I'm almost 50 yrs old now and I was unaware of any of this interesting info. Although, Redbud could be had for $35.00 oz and Gold was $40.00-$50.00 oz back when I was young...or so I've been told....just saying. As Jimi would ask..have you been experienced? Yep, somewhat.

    Good Luck,

    nomadic

    "an honest man's pillow is his peace of mind" John Mellencamp Minutes to Memories
     
  19. Mic

    Mic Guest

    Do you mean stifled by chance? Perhaps...and I'll respect your opinion. But I urge you to look at things from a different perspective.

    Quite possibly this thread doesn't belong in the Lighter Side, but frankly I find it amazingly difficult to (take serious) most of what I'm reading here...

    I'll leave this thread alone, but I urge you to look not only at what you want</u> to look at, but also what you need</u> to look at.

    Mic

    </center><center>It takes what it takes
     
  20. stayingCLEANforever

    stayingCLEANforever Active Member

    Yeah your right.. Shake your head all you want.. disbeleive all you want.. guess what??? I DONT MAKE THIS STUFF UP! Did you fail to read the line 'I PERSONALLY KNOW.. ' meaning I have hung out with and ripped joints with all those types of people I listed.

    BUT its just fuel to the fire.. You guys think I'll fail.. Therefore I'll succeed. 10-20 years from now I would love to have conversations with you all.. When our "chemical" generation grows up and runs the show. You can see an obvious trend between those who <s>grew up </s> LIVED THROUGH <s>under</s> the "Marijuana is a horrible narcotic drug" / "just say no" era advertised by my distant relative, Ronald Reagan and those who are curious Millenials and realized life has its issues!

    Hey if you dont want to listen to someone who has years of scholarly research and countless amounts of anecdotal evidence and gets by on their own terms thats fine.. You are the older, wiser ones anyway so who am I kidding? I have plenty of documented research and I will get my old folders out tomorrow and start posting away with the proof. (I even have an article that explains how marijuana vapor actually reduces the chance of lung cancer by killing precursors)

    But hey what do i know.. I only have an IQ of 186.. how much should i subtract for smokin pot at night?.. how about minus 100 for the pot and i'm almost legally retarded right?? lol!

    sights and sounds get changed when smoking pot arlene?? i think your talking about PCP.. But who is to blame you? look at what our govt has released about MJ in the past.. (MARIJUANA: crazy sex parties, people committing suicide, severe physical dependance) they made it out to look pretty bad. I mean why would the government (of which high ranking officials owns over 75% of the paper producing industry) want MJ and hemp to be legal.. They would miss out on A LOT of money..(hemp paper is stronger and cheaper to produce and would be almost impossible for them to monopolize because it doesnt require the destruction of forests) We live in a country where we have had propeganda films FOR and AGAINST MJ/Hemp. Where is the agenda..

    Seriously I try not to burn bridges.. but this is my life work so far. Regardless of what you all "self labeled addicts" think, I will continue to research and advocate for the decriminalization of MJ and hemp.

    But honestly, I would rather be addicted to weed than meetings.

    I will bring up another point, this life is too short to fight yourself from inside. If you need a release.. find it, if meetings do it for you than great! thats the healthiest way to go. If your not into that then perhaps you should look elsewhere for serenity.


    For those of you who CANNOT BELIEVE me.. If you have access to an article datadase (such as EBSCOhost, etc..) Look it up for yourself..

    I read somewhere on here that a man did not consider himself a "real addict" amongst those here on the ODR, and hearing your responses to my posts make me feel like I am in the same boat.. Maybe its because I only had an opiate addiction for a year.. Or because I am undecided about spirituality.. But my reasoning and thinking is soooo different. I have been marooned to "The Lighter Side" for my thinking because it does not coincide with that of NA/12 steps. Which makes it "unbeleivable".. Give me a break.
     
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