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Discussion in 'Detoxing From Pain Meds' started by problemone, Dec 30, 2003.

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  1. problemone

    problemone Guest

    I need that link for the doctor locator for the Sub medicine. I didn't save it and thought it would still be here. I have appointment for next Tues (need to find the doctor's name), meanwhile I have been tapering down from 10-12 lortab to 4 and 5 a day yesterday only 2. I have been suffering the whole time. I stayed in the bathroom half the night and hurt so bad, couldn't sleep and was freezing. Had one left and took at 6:00 am, about 11:00 at work I thought I was going to lose it, shaking so bad, feeling sick sick sick. I broke down and got a script from dentist. My mind and body is so tired of suffering. I can't quit that way-I suffer way to long. I am putting all my hopes in that medicine making me feel like maybe I have just a bad cold instead of major flu and now at the point where I realize I am going to have to try it that way ($1300). I need to learn more about how the medicine withdrawel the subox? works. I had been rereading the posts that was written to me about not beating myself up to badly for not following through cold turkey. If those post are still here, I don't know how to get to them.
     
  2. pinkie

    pinkie Well-Known Member

    Is this the link you're looking for??

    http://buprenorphine.samhsa.gov/bwns_locator/dr_facilitylocatordoc.htm

    Don't beat yourself up about the taper. Going cold is like giving yourself a week long bikini wax, (well, actually worse, but at the moment can't think of a better analogy) The only thing about doing a taper is that you could possibly start on a lower dose of Bup. Don't sweat it, the whole point is to minimize your suffering. Just plow ahead with your plans. Since all my previous baubles of wisdom are lost into the hinterlands of cyperspace (hope there are some little alien junkies who could use the advice) I will say it again, once you're on Bup, do as little as you can, as quickly as you can until you step off.

    Listen to your body, don't be afraid to take too little. You can always increase your dosage and have relief within 20 minutes, so go lightly.

    And when you're at the last step down, buck up, and step off. It's not a picnic, but shouldn't be a nightmare either. If your objective is to quit, then you are going to need the same will power to step off that you will need to keep yourself on track, so practice makes perfect, right?

    Have you gotten hooked up with any anti-depressants? My doctor prescribed Remeron to take during our detox to help with sleep, and it's also an A/D. Ask your doc, can't hurt. And what are your plans for support post detox? Staying clean is hard enough even when all your ducks in a row. It's hard to keep those little buggers in single file, quack quack.
     
  3. problemone

    problemone Active Member

    Thanks, thats the link I needed. Right now I am tapering the lortab. The doctor is going to give me sub. I believe which I know nothing about except it acts like an opiate in your brain, do they prescribe the bup. also and what is that. Do you take them both and do you have to withdraw from that too. If you do is it as horrible as withdrawing from lortab itself. Is it worth it to spend $1300 to withdraw from this other stuff. He said it was going to be like a 3 week program. Is this going to be 3 weeks of suffering, should I just be deathly ill for 3 days without all that and save the money. I don't know what in the hell to do. I want the easy way out and I know there is not one, but I am scared to death and that is making it 10 times harder on me worrying about it. It is driving me crazy wondering what to do. I just got off Zoloft cause I gained about 15 pounds in one month. I don't have any plans for after, I just know that like Tulsa said once I do this, I'll be damm if I will put myself through this again. I will only put my hand in this fire once. The doctor told me he was also going to teach me skills to cope afterwards. He sounded pretty good. I talked to him for about 20 minutes on the phone. I have never known a doctor to take that much time to talk to me about anything that long. Then his wife got on the phone and I talked to her even longer but I didn't ask about how the medicine works. I want to know more about that. Am I trading drugs and suffering??? What should I do. Does the medicine help. Anybody out there that has been around this board and read all the post that have gone by and got a good opinion on taking this route or not. Keep in mind, I am driving myself crazy over this and I know it but I can't quit. I am having panic attacks. Always been prone to them but now that I am fighting this, I am having them daily.
     
  4. Rohan

    Rohan Well-Known Member

    Problemone I think you should go for it! I have never taken suboxone but have heard enough consistant things about it to believe in it. From what I know the transition should be pretty painless. Actually, I think you will be pleasantly suprised when you try this medication! Please follow through, you will be glad you did. There is no reason we should have to suffer anymore while going through detox. I think after you start treatment, you will find your life going in a much better direction. You know Spring is still on the medication, talk to her if you already haven't done so. She has really good info and she can talk from personal experience. Keep posting and go for it!!
     
  5. spring

    spring Administrator

    Problemone,
    The reason the posts are gone is because I made a mistake and accidentally wiped out the whole board.

    Calm down and know that you will not suffer a horrible detox while using Sub. I can just about guarantee that.

    I think you may be confused about the meds. Suboxone and Subutex are the brand names. The chemical they contain is bup (buprenorphine). It is all the same drug.

    You will be pleasantly surprised at how well the Sub works. It is like nothing you have tried for detox before. For me, It took away just about all of my W/D symptoms..

    The trick is to detox yourself as quickly as you can so you don't get hooked on the Sub. But, make sure and give yourself enough time to adjust to being hydro free before stopping the Sub.

    Taking it for 3 weeks is just about the right amount of time. If you did happen to have to W/D from it, you would not experience anything close to what you go thru from your pills.

    Sounds like you are in good hands. It should be a great sense of security and comfort knowing that the doc AND his wife are so caring. I really don't think you have a thing to stess about.

    Oftentimes the fear is much worse than the actual act itself.

    Good luck to you. Stay close to the board and please ask as many questions as you need to. Once you have gotten past this and gained some strength you will have valuable experience to post and pass on to other newcomers.

    ~~~Do the right thing and risk the consequences~~~Spring~~~
     
  6. tulsa

    tulsa Member

    Whatever route you can take, I say take it. As you know, I am currently going turkey and it has worn me down over the past two days. I am still having W/D of chills, leg cramps and not being able to sleep. However, it is positive thoughts that are carrying me through. I have a great job that I must attend tomorrow and I am scared that not sleeping tonight will hurt me but I continue to hang. I wish you the best of luck and this board it is like a form of pain help in its own sense so don't be afraid to take extra hits of internet time if you feel it helps.
     
  7. problemone

    problemone Active Member

    Thanks all for the info and advice. I was confused about the medicine, can you post that link to the page about the subxone again. I am shaking alot, and I mean alot. I think it is some form of panic attacks though. Even when I take a pill I still shake. It helps so much to hear that this $1300 might be well spent, because that is alot of money to throw away. It is New Years Eve and I have taken more pills than I should have today 6 already and it is 4:30. Mainly because I have been at work and have been so nervous and kept thinking if I take another one maybe that will make me not shake. I haven't really read where other people have this problem and I don't quite get that unless I am driving myself nuts thinking about it. This board helps. Tulsa, whoever you are, I admire your courage and strength. Spring, you also are a very valuable person here and thank you so much for your words of experience.
     
  8. pinkie

    pinkie Well-Known Member

    prob.
    I can hear the panic in your posts. You need to stop the obsessive thoughts about what "might' happen. I have experience for 2, my bf and myself that says that detox can be done with one of the forms of Bup in a relatively painless manner.

    I know all about anxiety attacks, my bf suffers them. You need to stop projecting. Today you are alright. There is nothing dangerous happening to you at this moment in time, and I have confidence as you read more about our experiences with Bup you will gain faith that it can work for you as well. You will find yourself surprised and wonder why you spent so much time shaking and worrying about this.

    But for now, sounds like you have yourself plenty medicated. Find something else to concentrate on. If you take some time to distract your thoughts away from worrying about how your detox will go, you will be able to calm yourself down. So go find something to do, scrub the bathroom floor with a toothbrush, and do it like you mean it. I promise if you can concentrate hard enough on something else, you will see your anxiety level drop dramatically.
     
  9. ak

    ak Well-Known Member

    Hey and Happy New Year Problemone. I started the Suboxone method about 8 days ago. It is a miracle drug for us junkies (LOL). There are no detox symptoms at all in my case and I have been underdosing. As far as the $1300, if you can shop around. My doctor charged me $250 for the first visit plus meds which totaled $390. That included Somas. Follow ups weekly visits are $50 plus med and he does not want to maintain you but taper you ASAP. In fact on my second visit he wrote me 2 weeks of meds fo the $50 plus somas and some benzos. Dont wait if you have to money and you have a compassionate doctor, but there are some quacks out there who are just looking to make a killing on this drug. Go for it and all the best, Andy
     
  10. problemone

    problemone Active Member

    I have taken ativan in the past month and I just got valium and took those when I was trying to go cold turkey. The valium didn't touch my symptoms. So maybe that is it. I have not been shaking for a couple of hours now and I have taken the same amount of lortab I took yesterday, well about one less (8). I have been trying to clean alot to get my mind off things (from pinkies advice). I have been prescribed ativan on and off for the past year (like one a day) because I would have milder versions of what I have been going through lately. I never abused those. I probably could use some now, because I am stressing so bad. My heart races and I can feel it skipping beats or double beating or something. There are only two doctors in my area that do this sub thing and the other one is not taking patients. So I am going to spend the $1300 on this one and praying that he is the answer. I have been praying alot for help. My heart is acting up now, I guess cause I am thinking alot about the detox. I am scared because my kids are coming home Sunday and I had wanted to already be doing this by the time they got back. I have gone through alot this year. I have been sick alot. I almost died in May because (Toxic Shock Syndrome or Brown Recluse Bite or it caused it to mimic that). They didn't ever figure out exactly what it was. I was pretty close to dying-from what the doctor told me. I have had alot of health problems this whole year. I have been through the wringer with test for everything, no answers. I also have TMJ, which put me in extreme pain for several months, but that subsided. The dentist said I stress too easily and grind my teeth. That is how I ended up getting addicted to lortab. So that is how I am going to play it off at work-I am going to another infection specialist. I think I need to see a shrink because I realize from everyones response to my post that I seem to stay in a state of panic. I do try to realize it. I bought an electric blanket (that helps with chills) and I turn it on lay under it and have been trying to be still and meditate and pray and I settle down some. I am having trouble sleeping at night now. It scares me when I read about what Tulsa is going through, like I said before I admire your strength. I pray for you too. I hope this doctor explains to me exactly how to take this medicine and what to do exactly because I tried to read about it and didn't grasp it all. I don't shoot up so I don't want a shot of it. I knew better to ever put a needle in my arm because I would probably love it. I don't know if this medicine helps just for lortab, oxys or all of it. Believe it or not I am a reasonably intelligent person in midlife, I am begining to wonder if I am kind of having a nervous breakdown. This board is helping, ak, hearing what you said helps, please keep us posted or me anyway. Spring you are the one that help me find that link to the doctor to begin with (thank you pinkie for positing it again), I believe God works through you and you may not realize it like you should. Rohan, you are right about suffering. I think that is my biggest fear because of all my unexplained health problems and then I suffered like hell trying to taper. I don't want to suffer anymore. I am rambling and I will quit now. But for now this is my support group.
     
  11. tulsa

    tulsa Member

    Go back and read Tulsa Callin to get the inspiration needed to complete what you need. If you love your children like it sounds that you do you can fight this thing. Keep telling yourself its just for a few days and you will get there, I promise. Once you get there, the high of being straight again is much better than the high of being loaded. I am in day 5 of cold turkey and the worst is behind me. You can get there too, I just know it!
     
  12. Apheana

    Apheana Well-Known Member

    I am sure you made the right choice! I have been on it for 2 months now and am working my way off. Compared to the feeling of cold turkey- sub is a miracle. I just wish I was only on a 3 week program in the beginning. I have had side effects an thus the reason for my relationship with Saboxone to be cut short. You can do this! Besides, docs prescribing meds does not last forever when it comes to hydros, trust me I know. They catch on and then it could easily cost you 1300$ to buy them off the street. I know this I have lived it for the last couple years and it sux. Good Luck, keep us posted on your apt. today. (just took 1mg) I thought I could make it today without any but I cant shake the chills and its driving me insane. Then the crying starts...Just follow your docs orders and you wont go through what I am going through. My doc sees me once a month right now and I have zero support in between.
    No relationship or kids to take my mind off anything just straight me and that can be a nightmare. It may seen like a nightmare to wake up to a house with responsibility but you do not know what you have until you do not have it anymore. Thank yourself for distractions, they are your best friend sometimes. And thank yourself for getting the help you need because it will be the best thing you ever do. [:eek:)] Good Luck!!!

    ***Live, Laugh and Love***
     
  13. problemone

    problemone Active Member

    I had to reschedule my appointment to Thurs. because of death of close family friend (he was 80). But I felt like I needed to be there and boy did that funeral get me to thinking about my life. Seeing him laying in the casket- I started crying for everything, how ****ed up I have let my addiction get. He lead a good life and in the service they said, you need to make your life count. I have got to get off this **** and have a life. Yeah the $1300 is not bothering me as bad as it was. If this helps, I will be happy to pay it. So the best thing is the shorter to take it the better? I have been reading so many diff. stories of people taking it and I get confused. It helps some and some it doesn't. Some say it is worth it and some don't. I think I am reading to much and still getting to worked up over it and making myself sick. I am glad my appt. is Thurs. that way kind of leads into the weekend better to see how things go. I will post as soon as I can Thurs. to let everyone know what exactly he puts me on and his plans. Thanks all.
     
  14. pinkie

    pinkie Well-Known Member

    Prob,
    You strike me as the kind of person for whom too much information can push your anxiety buttons. So I have two questions...

    Specifically, what have you read that makes you think Bup is not a good way to go for short term detox?
    What exactly are you worried about.

    If you can tell us that, we may be able to help put some of your fears into perspective.

    When you do start Suboxone, your body is the best indicator of how much you need to take and for how long. The only real hard fast truth I think we've established is that if you're using it for a quick detox, you need to be completely tapered off within a month. So take only what you need, only as often as you need it. Best to be conservative, you can always increase your dose incrementally until you find a good place to start. Then, once you're established, you may find yourself surprised at how little you really need to use to stay comfortable. If you have any particular fears, anxiety, vomiting, whatever, please discuss them with your doctor. A good doctor will help you with other medications tailored to your primary symptoms. So make sure that you make yourself clear about your fears. It's better to go into this feeling like you have everything you need to get you through. Hopefully, you'll find out you don't need half of what you expected.

    One half ear to your doctor, the other ear and a half to your own body.

    I can't wait for the posts which are sure to come, which tell us you can't believe you were so worried, and how well it's working for you.
     
  15. Apheana

    Apheana Well-Known Member

    Glad you made the choice to listen to that little voice inside yourself. Thats the one you have to hear right now. Do not be afraid, there will be minimal pain with the sub detox. Its pretty much painless. You can handle it and its not that bad (reassurance, you need it). The three week plan seems to be the best one. I do not reccomend any longer for shorter acting opiates because my beief is that it will build your threshold if you stay on it too long-coming off of hydros- I have been there done that cold turkey and it does hurt real bad. Just be careful to not swallow the juices that may be created when the pills start to disolve, it can make you sick[xx(] Keep us posted.

    ***Live, Laugh and Love***
     
  16. sleepless

    sleepless Well-Known Member

    Hi problemone...Although I have'nt been posting a lot lately, I have been reading the board daily and doing my best to follow everyone's story/stories...I tend to agree with my dear sweet friend Pinkie on the *anxiety button factor*...Calm down chickie ;) ...Try NOT to stress too much the con's of Sub and focus on the pro's of it, there are MANY more positive results from it than negative..Keep it always in the back of your mind *this medicine is GOING to work for ME*, and IF (I stress the word IF) you have any problems with it then the good thing is that you are going to be under VERY close watch from the doctor helping you..I honestly don't feel or believe you are going to have any problems with it, and I'll tell ya something about me, I don't BS people ever, and would NEVER EVER tell you nor anyone else something that I truly did'nt believe in my heart & soul...So relax and enjoy your detox girl [:eek:)], you are gonna do just fine :) ...Make sure to keep us all posted, we are hanging on the edge of our sits and cheering for you...Funny thing is, that anytime someone comes here and asks for help, it's almost like you (the reader) are walking in the person's shoes right along with them...Maybe it's because all of us here can relate so much to each other, I dunno...Anyone else ever get those kinda feelings besides me?

    Take Care & God Bless :)
     
  17. problemone

    problemone Active Member

    I DID IT!!!!! I went to the doc yesterday at 11 and did not leave his office till 1. We talked and talked and he explained that I have a disease (addiction). My body has lost control over this opiate battle, just like your body loses control over cancer cells. He was trying to explain addiction to me because I beat myself up so badly about this. I had only taken three that morning and by the time I got there I was already going into withdrawel. My blood pressure was 164/118. He gave me a blood pressure pill and asked me if I had any more lortab with me. I told him I had one. He told me that I could go ahead and take it if I felt like I needed to, because it was going to be a little while before I got my prescription filled. I am taking one 8mg suboxne a day (didn't know about swallowing the juices till I just reread post above). I just took my second pill few minutes ago, so it has been 24 hours without a lortab and I feel OK. He prescribed Wellbutrin and Serquoel also. Not sure what those are exactly. But I woke up this morning and felt like I was so tired I couldn't get out of bed. I took off work today and have slept most of the day. I called and talked to the doctors wife a few minutes ago and she told me I was or have been working myself into a panic and that is probably why I am so exhausted. That and the serquoel and she explained that should get better in a couple of days. I can't speak highly enough of this doctor I went to. He told me alot of people in his field were out to make money and get and keep "customers" especially with methadone. I am going to take a whole pill for two more days and then go down to have a pill on Monday. Thanks everyone for your help. I know if I hadn't had this sub. medicine, there would be no way I would be able to be typing this right now because I would be deathly sick and struggling. This is a MIRACLE drug.
     
  18. pinkie

    pinkie Well-Known Member

    Great Prob
    Sounds like you've got a great doctor, I'm glad. Now will you post your doctor's name on a thread I called Bup Doctor Referrals in the Bup section?

    As to the swallowing thing, I know alot of people talk about that, and perhaps for them it is a problem. It was however, no problem for me or my bf swallowing the saliva as the pill desolved under our tongues. That is not to say you should actually suck on the thing, but if it's just sort of sitting in your mouth, and you haven't had a problem yet, you're probably fine.

    You should do what you want, BUT... my doctor prescribed more than I needed as a safeguard. There is no harm in trying to reduce your dose. Worst thing that can happen is that you need to take a little more. If the objective is quick detox, listen to your body and only take what you need.

    Continued good luck
     
  19. spring

    spring Administrator

    SOOO Happy to hear that you did it!! Hope you stick around and keep us updated on your progress.

    BTW....Wellbutrin, is an A/D and will also help you with the energy thing and the Seraquil should be helping you sleep and keep your panic attacks away though I have to add that what I've heard and read about Seroquil scares me!
     
  20. cgdg

    cgdg Well-Known Member

    Take a paper cup...this is gonna sound hokey but it works...and allow yerself to drool while the Sub is in yer mouth...right into the cup. That way, you won't hafta swallow the excess if it makes you nauseaus. I'd usually sit in the bathroom while doing this, so as not to be bothered....

    You can also do this w/o a cup sitting on the toilet and just let the drool drop between yer legs and into the bowl.[:I]

    Another way is to take yer morning shower same time as taking the Sub...then yer free to "drool at will."[:p]

    Sounds strange...but trust me - it works.
     
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